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Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 3:16am
by Hammy
I think you're all being a little naive...
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 3:59am
by Olaf
Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:36pm
I wrote all the lyrics to the first album. But credit where credit is due I did borrow Bernie's pen.
Yeah, "borrow." Like my Lederhosen.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 5:32am
by Marky Dread
Olaf wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 3:59am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:36pm
I wrote all the lyrics to the first album. But credit where credit is due I did borrow Bernie's pen.
Yeah, "borrow." Like my Lederhosen.
I needed those to look cool at Heavens.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 9:22am
by Olaf
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 5:32am
Olaf wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 3:59am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:36pm
I wrote all the lyrics to the first album. But credit where credit is due I did borrow Bernie's pen.
Yeah, "borrow." Like my Lederhosen.
I needed those to look cool at Heavens.
Bet you did, mate.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 9:35am
by Wolter
Hammy wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 3:16am
I think you're all being a little naive...
Fuck off. You are a troll and always have been.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
by white man
Heston wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:33pm
matedog wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Low Down Low wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 11:15am
by Marky Dread
white man wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
Heston wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:33pm
matedog wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Low Down Low wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Whilst it's fair to credit Bernie with the input of subject matter. There's no way Joe needed any help with writing lyrics. Lest we forget Joe had already written lyrics in The 101er's and he was hardly a novice.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 11:17am
by Silent Majority
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:15am
white man wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
Heston wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:33pm
matedog wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Low Down Low wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:01pm
You'd imagine after 40 years with so many interviews and articles and documentaries and books that some evidence would have been uncovered by now if such a claim ever had even the merest semblance of fact. The only guy i ever heard suggest it was Geldof and he always had a beef with the clash.
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Whilst it's fair to credit Bernie with the input of subject matter. There's no way Joe needed any help with writing lyrics. Lest we forget Joe had already written lyrics in The 101er's and he was hardly a novice.
This exactly. Clear artistic progression from (and the exact same stylistic loves as) the lyrics of the 101ers to the first Clash album. And what exactly has Bernie written lyric-wise since? Clearly fucking nothing.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 11:20am
by Marky Dread
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:15am
white man wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
Heston wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:33pm
matedog wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Also Bernie has had a long history tenuously taking credit for a lot of things. If he had contributed a single word to Joe's lyrics, I'm sure we would have heard about him having written Deny or something.
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Whilst it's fair to credit Bernie with the input of subject matter. There's no way Joe needed any help with writing lyrics. Lest we forget Joe had already written lyrics in The 101er's and he was hardly a novice.
This exactly. Clear artistic progression from (and the exact same stylistic loves as) the lyrics of the 101ers to the first Clash album. And what exactly has Bernie written lyric-wise since? Clearly fucking nothing.
I want to credit Bernie with "Play to Win". That is at least something.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 11:32am
by Silent Majority
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:20am
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:15am
white man wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
Heston wrote: ↑21 Jul 2020, 12:33pm
...and I'm pretty sure his name would have ended up in the credits.
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Whilst it's fair to credit Bernie with the input of subject matter. There's no way Joe needed any help with writing lyrics. Lest we forget Joe had already written lyrics in The 101er's and he was hardly a novice.
This exactly. Clear artistic progression from (and the exact same stylistic loves as) the lyrics of the 101ers to the first Clash album. And what exactly has Bernie written lyric-wise since? Clearly fucking nothing.
I want to credit Bernie with "Play to Win". That is at least something.
Is it though?
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 11:42am
by Silent Majority
This:
"'Cause rockin' the the knocking
Of the beating in my vein
Is heightening the frightening
So life don't seem the same
Don't need the poking toking
Of the snuff-it-stuff-it game
To get a sheet of lightning
For the inside of my brain"
is so obviously from the same pen as this:
"Friday or Saturday, what does that mean?
Short space of time needs a heavy scene
Monday is coming like a jail on wheels
So tell me an' I'll take the tube
You know a girl, yeah well she's gotta be rude
Can't get nothing at the places I've been
Forty-eight hours needs forty-eight
I've combed this town from top to bottom"
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 12:25pm
by Marky Dread
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:32am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:20am
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:17am
Marky Dread wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:15am
white man wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 9:50am
This all day. For all his supposed faults, one thing he knew was "seeing an opportunity" I can't believe for one minute that by 1976-77 he hadn't realised that the songwriters get royalties in perpetuity. I knew it back then and i was still at school.
Whilst it's fair to credit Bernie with the input of subject matter. There's no way Joe needed any help with writing lyrics. Lest we forget Joe had already written lyrics in The 101er's and he was hardly a novice.
This exactly. Clear artistic progression from (and the exact same stylistic loves as) the lyrics of the 101ers to the first Clash album. And what exactly has Bernie written lyric-wise since? Clearly fucking nothing.
I want to credit Bernie with "Play to Win". That is at least something.
Is it though?
Yeah it's definitely something.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 24 Jul 2020, 12:25pm
by Marky Dread
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:42am
This:
"'Cause rockin' the the knocking
Of the beating in my vein
Is heightening the frightening
So life don't seem the same
Don't need the poking toking
Of the snuff-it-stuff-it game
To get a sheet of lightning
For the inside of my brain"
is so obviously from the same pen as this:
"Friday or Saturday, what does that mean?
Short space of time needs a heavy scene
Monday is coming like a jail on wheels
So tell me an' I'll take the tube
You know a girl, yeah well she's gotta be rude
Can't get nothing at the places I've been
Forty-eight hours needs forty-eight
I've combed this town from top to bottom"
Agreed.
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 25 Jul 2020, 4:34am
by white man
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:42am
This:
"'Cause rockin' the the knocking
Of the beating in my vein
Is heightening the frightening
So life don't seem the same
Don't need the poking toking
Of the snuff-it-stuff-it game
To get a sheet of lightning
For the inside of my brain"
is so obviously from the same pen as this:
"Friday or Saturday, what does that mean?
Short space of time needs a heavy scene
Monday is coming like a jail on wheels
So tell me an' I'll take the tube
You know a girl, yeah well she's gotta be rude
Can't get nothing at the places I've been
Forty-eight hours needs forty-eight
I've combed this town from top to bottom"
Chalk and Cheese
Re: Bernie Lyrics
Posted: 25 Jul 2020, 5:37am
by Marky Dread
white man wrote: ↑25 Jul 2020, 4:34am
Silent Majority wrote: ↑24 Jul 2020, 11:42am
This:
"'Cause rockin' the the knocking
Of the beating in my vein
Is heightening the frightening
So life don't seem the same
Don't need the poking toking
Of the snuff-it-stuff-it game
To get a sheet of lightning
For the inside of my brain"
is so obviously from the same pen as this:
"Friday or Saturday, what does that mean?
Short space of time needs a heavy scene
Monday is coming like a jail on wheels
So tell me an' I'll take the tube
You know a girl, yeah well she's gotta be rude
Can't get nothing at the places I've been
Forty-eight hours needs forty-eight
I've combed this town from top to bottom"
Chalk and Cheese
You don't think they are from the same hand or just one set of lyrics is better?
I think the lyrics to "Letsagetabitarockin'" are brilliant especially being written a year or so before punk changed the landscape.
Plus that line in 48 Hours "Monday's coming like a jail on wheels" is straight out of The 101er's lyric book.