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Flex wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
in retrospect it's not an association you'd probably go for these days, but given joe's interests (in the beat culture) it makes sense. even being suspicious of right wing propaganda to try to discredit the counter-culture, he was pretty straightforwardly a pedophile which is grotesque, obviously. America is still a great poem (and he has a few others). I've probably been all over the map on this over the years on whether the ghost of allen gets canceled in my own intake of art, but right now I land on his presence being an interesting artifact of the time. Definitely on the deeply-fucked-up end of the spectrum in terms of people whose work I'll countenance, tho.
I feel it's fine to like some of his work but not his aspirations and/or certain ideals.

Art and music culture are littered with people like this sadly as we find in life.
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Marky, did you get that wierd tape of the 9th i shared on here a few years back?
i don't have it any more , too many computer crashes

I'm certain it was a salvage attempt for the clash on broadway soundtrack
lots of dub effects , bits of it worked, but the performance still sucked
my copy cut out after cadillac

the 9th was obviously a big deal to the band, hiring film crews isn't cheap
the setlist for the 9th was a S! showcase , most songs from Sandinista! in a single show
since thats thats my favourite album i'm really bummed that it didn't come off
so i totally get why they spent time trying to clean up the audio from the 9th instead of using the 8th or 10th



can anyone share the soundboard version of capitol air from the ginsberg box?
an official release but i think i'll be able to live with myself denying revenue to the estate of a dead pederast


sorry to be "that guy"
no way is the 8th Post-Fm
but the 18 track version of the 9th definitely is
the much maligned "S.O.S" bootleg LP has some of the radio announcements left in "The Clash live on WNEW FM"


@kory the reason Bonds got such a bad rap was because back in the day all most people had was the 9th which is the weakest night
it was broadcast on FM so it got bootlegged massively.
typical lousy clash luck to have the 9th broadcast, it starts well enough but is horribly out of tune by mag 7, the encore starts great with omt-cadillac but this time they manage to thrash their instruments out of tune within 3 songs!
why they even attempted washington bullets when they were so exhausted they could barely think let alone sing.. god knows
why it was chosen for broadcast, again god only knows
why SOS chose to include it at instead of the towering monumental rendition of One More Time, an act of perverse humour?
the bootlegger called himself Yves Pox after all!
Janie Jones would have been a perfect ending to the show and the broadcast
one day we need to have a chat about the freaky photo artwork of the S.O.S boot!

but yeah basically any other gig from the Bonds residency is awesome


LOL a parody of Ginsberg just came on the radio comedy show i was listening to while i typed this "emo hoffberg"

anyway thanks for all the uploads
i'll keep checking tapes and hopefully i can reciprocate some day

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Tim Bucknall wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 6:53pm
Marky, did you get that wierd tape of the 9th i shared on here a few years back?
i don't have it any more , too many computer crashes

I'm certain it was a salvage attempt for the clash on broadway soundtrack.

never heard this

the 9th was obviously a big deal to the band, hiring film crews isn't cheap
the setlist for the 9th was a S! showcase , most songs from Sandinista! in a single show
since thats thats my favourite album i'm really bummed that it didn't come off
so i totally get why they spent time trying to clean up the audio from the 9th instead of using the 8th or 10th



can anyone share the soundboard version of capitol air from the ginsberg box?
an official release but i think i'll be able to live with myself denying revenue to the estate of a dead pederast


Don't have this

sorry to be "that guy"
no way is the 8th Post-Fm
but the 18 track version of the 9th definitely is
the much maligned "S.O.S" bootleg LP has some of the radio announcements left in "The Clash live on WNEW FM"

So the 8th is not an FM broadcast? So what is it then? The disc I have which I've had for years states it's an FM broadcast.

The 9th is the pro source surely not the FM broadcast version (there are two main versions) with many bootleg releases. My version is a mix of both sources plus a short snippet of the intro music to make the most complete version.
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Regards the 9th June 1981.

The horrible S.O.S. bootleg vinyl album that Tim Bucknall refers to above. This has "Cardiff 77" (actually Leicester) on one side and the other has the Bond show 9th June on the other from "The Leader" onwards.
Whoever designed this should be shot! (Pic at bottom of post).


The FM broadcast of the 9th June was aired on Halloween and the bootleg that followed was called "Trick or Treat" smart or dumb you decide. Listed as being "recorded live Oct. 31, 1982" (Halloween) then stating "actually recorded June 4, 1981". However it's definitely from the 9th June 1981.

This show is the most bootlegged of all Clash shows and is one of the most bootlegged live shows of any artist. Live At Bonds/Bondage At Bonds/Chaos in New York...and so on.

The 18 track cd that Topperville mentions from a few posts back is the pro source mix. The bootleg of the FM broadcast has great sound but Mick is mixed way too low in the mix. As you know Mick liked to turn his guitar up a bit and especially at the Bond shows.

The 18 track disc has this rectified with Mick fully restored to the mix. I'm sure TeddyB has stated this mix was for the tracks used for FHTE. The only problem with the 18 track disc is that it's an edited version of the show. So I used this edited pro mix and the full show to make a matrix of the complete show.

Deny asked me if it's "Bond" or "Bond's"?

It's actually called "Bond International Casino" but known locally as "Bond's".
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Marky Dread wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 5:54pm
Flex wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
in retrospect it's not an association you'd probably go for these days, but given joe's interests (in the beat culture) it makes sense. even being suspicious of right wing propaganda to try to discredit the counter-culture, he was pretty straightforwardly a pedophile which is grotesque, obviously. America is still a great poem (and he has a few others). I've probably been all over the map on this over the years on whether the ghost of allen gets canceled in my own intake of art, but right now I land on his presence being an interesting artifact of the time. Definitely on the deeply-fucked-up end of the spectrum in terms of people whose work I'll countenance, tho.
I feel it's fine to like some of his work but not his aspirations and/or certain ideals.

Art and music culture are littered with people like this sadly as we find in life.
Wow, I never knew any of that stuff about Ginsberg. That's really messed up. I still think Ginsberg had some interesting poems, but it seems like this is yet another case of having to "Separate the art from the artist". Like is it really that hard for so many famous people to not get involved in weird, sketchy, and/or offensive things?

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GotGameGreggy wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 11:38pm
Marky Dread wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 5:54pm
Flex wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 5:47pm
in retrospect it's not an association you'd probably go for these days, but given joe's interests (in the beat culture) it makes sense. even being suspicious of right wing propaganda to try to discredit the counter-culture, he was pretty straightforwardly a pedophile which is grotesque, obviously. America is still a great poem (and he has a few others). I've probably been all over the map on this over the years on whether the ghost of allen gets canceled in my own intake of art, but right now I land on his presence being an interesting artifact of the time. Definitely on the deeply-fucked-up end of the spectrum in terms of people whose work I'll countenance, tho.
I feel it's fine to like some of his work but not his aspirations and/or certain ideals.

Art and music culture are littered with people like this sadly as we find in life.
Wow, I never knew any of that stuff about Ginsberg. That's really messed up. I still think Ginsberg had some interesting poems, but it seems like this is yet another case of having to "Separate the art from the artist". Like is it really that hard for so many famous people to not get involved in weird, sketchy, and/or offensive things?
"Separate the art from the artist" it is the wisest choice. We can judge the art and personally A.Ginsberg doesn't like it.
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I also think its weird how many "intellectual" artists seem to suppress this fucked up side from Ginsberg and praise him openly to this day. Dylan, Patti Smith, Sonic youth to name a few.

Especially weird as i think the awareness of misdemeanours is quite high these days. Hardly any artist would support Gary Glitter or even Morrissey?

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Enough Ginsberg let's keep this thread positive and discuss music and The Clash. I'm sure the Ginsberg thing has been covered now. Or take it to another thread for continuation.

"Let's have some music now huh!" ;)
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Let's all mentally replace Ginsberg's voice with Lou Reed's and praise Marky for the incredible work he's doing.
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Silent Majority wrote:
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Let's all mentally replace Ginsberg's voice with Lou Reed's and praise Marky for the incredible work he's doing.
Nice! I like it. :approve:
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Oh god not sonic youth!
You know what , i don’t need to know!

Thank you Marky

As I understand the situation
Re 9th

Mix 1. 75 minute 18 track FM and/or officially released bits = “Pro source”
(Robins cdr still best FM version)

Mix 2. Uncut version with mick too low sounds like it was a Monitor mix for Mick

Mix 3. Version i shared from 1st gen 90 mins with dub effects etc, cuts off after Cadillac

Mix 4 Version that surfaced online along with the Soundboard of 8th.
I never actually Downloaded/heard this. I assumed it was the same as my tape but there’s no reason it should be

Re: S.O.S the track list on the sleeve is wrong
Bonds takes up part of side 2 and all of Sides 3&4
It starts with London Calling and follows the usual FM track listing but missing most of the encore- only including Washington bullets

Thanks again for the uploads
I maxed out yesterday after the 8th
Downloading 9th now

I think the choice of songs for broadcast is actually quite arbitrary on commercial radio

They just hack out songs where they need a commercial break rather than picking the best bits

It’s somewhat better on The State/public broadcasters in Europe, Japan & Australia

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Tim Bucknall wrote:
04 Aug 2020, 11:38am
Oh god not sonic youth!
You know what , i don’t need to know!

Thank you Marky

As I understand the situation
Re 9th

Mix 1. 75 minute 18 track FM and/or officially released bits = “Pro source”
(Robins cdr still best FM version)

Mix 2. Uncut version with mick too low sounds like it was a Monitor mix for Mick

Mix 3. Version i shared from 1st gen 90 mins with dub effects etc, cuts off after Cadillac

Mix 4 Version that surfaced online along with the Soundboard of 8th.
I never actually Downloaded/heard this. I assumed it was the same as my tape but there’s no reason it should be

Re: S.O.S the track list on the sleeve is wrong
Bonds takes up part of side 2 and all of Sides 3&4
It starts with London Calling and follows the usual FM track listing but missing most of the encore- only including Washington bullets

Thanks again for the uploads
I maxed out yesterday after the 8th
Downloading 9th now

I think the choice of songs for broadcast is actually quite arbitrary on commercial radio

They just hack out songs where they need a commercial break rather than picking the best bits

It’s somewhat better on The State/public broadcasters in Europe, Japan & Australia
Yep that's pretty much it Tim. I hope someone here grabbed your version mix 3. As I would like to hear this.

I've got Capial Air on the vinyl & cd boot "Last Gang In Town" I will have to check to see if it's taken from that Ginsberg box set. I remember it being pretty clear when I last played it. I'll get back to you.
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Tim Bucknall wrote:
03 Aug 2020, 6:53pm
@kory the reason Bonds got such a bad rap was because back in the day all most people had was the 9th which is the weakest night
it was broadcast on FM so it got bootlegged massively.
typical lousy clash luck to have the 9th broadcast, it starts well enough but is horribly out of tune by mag 7, the encore starts great with omt-cadillac but this time they manage to thrash their instruments out of tune within 3 songs!
why they even attempted washington bullets when they were so exhausted they could barely think let alone sing.. god knows
why it was chosen for broadcast, again god only knows
why SOS chose to include it at instead of the towering monumental rendition of One More Time, an act of perverse humour?
the bootlegger called himself Yves Pox after all!
Janie Jones would have been a perfect ending to the show and the broadcast
one day we need to have a chat about the freaky photo artwork of the S.O.S boot!
Oh yeah, I think I've heard that WA Bullets—where Joe says "Havana for the cuboy in the playban sun."
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Thanks Marky, I haven't been able to download anything for a few days so npw have a backlog to listen to. Looking forward to it though.

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