1983 Timeline

[YoungParisians]

What's your source for the August 29 date? I believe it, I just would like to read the material.

Passion is a Fashion for the 29-AUG date.
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Redemption Song also confirms the last week of August but not the actual day.

[YoungParisians]

I wouldn’t take the dates assigned to those 1983 demos as gospel. They were dodging around Sony with the 001 box set. Note they are not credited to “The Clash”.

Do you think these were recorded anytime between post-Mick Jones firing and pre-November 1983 demos...or are you suggesting these may be from later in 1984?

[matedog]

What's your source for the August 29 date? I believe it, I just would like to read the material.

Passion is a Fashion for the 29-AUG date.
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Redemption Song also confirms the last week of August but not the actual day.

Version of Passion is a Fashion I have says August 29 or September 5th if that makes a difference. It is the 2004 copyright.

[FarawayTowns]

Carnival is held on weekend of August Bank Holiday.
The Bank Holiday is on the last Monday in August. Which in 1983 was 29th August.
So imo fairly safe to assume Mick was fired on that date or just before.

[YoungParisians]

Good to know. I used the e-book vers of Passion which has a pub date of 2011 so it probably refers to the 2009 edition?

[YoungParisians]

Dropping this in here as this hits on so many things 1983. This is taken from RPM Magazine out of Toronto, Canada from December 24, 1983. RPM is a radio trade journal published weekly a la Billboard or CMJ.

So according to the author...
- Joe & Paul wanted to put the Clash money into charity?
- CBS was going to release a live album in presumably 1984?
- Bernie was moving into film?
- Joe was about to start work on a film?

[Silent Majority]

Hell W10?

[Heston]

Hell W10?

That was early 83. And anything with Mick in would have been on the back burner.

[marxwallace]

TRAC got together the minute Mick was sacked according to John Boy Lennard...

TRAC came about when I was at Mick Jones place. He got up to phone the press to confirm he was leaving the Clash.
He came back, rolled a spliff and said he wanted to start a band with Topper and I.
We added Leo and rehearsed for six months.

I thought it was a great band. Topper was then back into his habit and Mick’s girlfriend was having a baby. I think he didn’t feel confident Topper could hold it together and was feeling overwhelmed and closed it down.
I thought it was a creative period for him but Mick is slow to bring it up. Great memories

By my reckoning that would mean TRAC finished in early spring 84. Don Letts and Greg Roberts were recruited and BAD were together by the summer. Their first gigs were in October 84.

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

[Kory]

TRAC got together the minute Mick was sacked according to John Boy Lennard...

TRAC came about when I was at Mick Jones place. He got up to phone the press to confirm he was leaving the Clash.
He came back, rolled a spliff and said he wanted to start a band with Topper and I.
We added Leo and rehearsed for six months.

I thought it was a great band. Topper was then back into his habit and Mick’s girlfriend was having a baby. I think he didn’t feel confident Topper could hold it together and was feeling overwhelmed and closed it down.
I thought it was a creative period for him but Mick is slow to bring it up. Great memories

By my reckoning that would mean TRAC finished in early spring 84. Don Letts and Greg Roberts were recruited and BAD were together by the summer. Their first gigs were in October 84.

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

[Heston]

TRAC got together the minute Mick was sacked according to John Boy Lennard...

TRAC came about when I was at Mick Jones place. He got up to phone the press to confirm he was leaving the Clash.
He came back, rolled a spliff and said he wanted to start a band with Topper and I.
We added Leo and rehearsed for six months.

I thought it was a great band. Topper was then back into his habit and Mick’s girlfriend was having a baby. I think he didn’t feel confident Topper could hold it together and was feeling overwhelmed and closed it down.
I thought it was a creative period for him but Mick is slow to bring it up. Great memories

By my reckoning that would mean TRAC finished in early spring 84. Don Letts and Greg Roberts were recruited and BAD were together by the summer. Their first gigs were in October 84.

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

Correct. Mick had gone for a family holiday to the Bahamas just after completing This Is BAD. Joe hired a bicycle on the island and found him, only for Mick to tell him he wasn't returning to the Clash. That's probably why Joe said it was shit.

[Kory]

TRAC got together the minute Mick was sacked according to John Boy Lennard...

TRAC came about when I was at Mick Jones place. He got up to phone the press to confirm he was leaving the Clash.
He came back, rolled a spliff and said he wanted to start a band with Topper and I.
We added Leo and rehearsed for six months.

I thought it was a great band. Topper was then back into his habit and Mick’s girlfriend was having a baby. I think he didn’t feel confident Topper could hold it together and was feeling overwhelmed and closed it down.
I thought it was a creative period for him but Mick is slow to bring it up. Great memories

By my reckoning that would mean TRAC finished in early spring 84. Don Letts and Greg Roberts were recruited and BAD were together by the summer. Their first gigs were in October 84.

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

Correct. Mick had gone for a family holiday to the Bahamas just after completing This Is BAD. Joe hired a bicycle on the island and found him, only for Mick to tell him he wasn't returning to the Clash. That's probably why Joe said it was shit.

Hurt feelings.

[Heston]

TRAC got together the minute Mick was sacked according to John Boy Lennard...



By my reckoning that would mean TRAC finished in early spring 84. Don Letts and Greg Roberts were recruited and BAD were together by the summer. Their first gigs were in October 84.

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

Correct. Mick had gone for a family holiday to the Bahamas just after completing This Is BAD. Joe hired a bicycle on the island and found him, only for Mick to tell him he wasn't returning to the Clash. That's probably why Joe said it was shit.

Hurt feelings.

Don Letts recounts the story in a little more detail in his new book but I'll not throw out any spoilers.

[Kory]

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

Correct. Mick had gone for a family holiday to the Bahamas just after completing This Is BAD. Joe hired a bicycle on the island and found him, only for Mick to tell him he wasn't returning to the Clash. That's probably why Joe said it was shit.

Hurt feelings.

Don Letts recounts the story in a little more detail in his new book but I'll not throw out any spoilers.

I'm hoping to read it this week, really looking forward to it.

[marxwallace]

In the story of Joe asking Mick to come back (not sure of the date), it's mentioned Mick plays Joe tapes of his new project which Joe rejects out of hand as rubbish. A lot of these re-tellings make it sound as if Joe rejected BAD songs, which seems off. Having heard them, I assume Joe rejected the TRAC songs, which are rough, at least to my ears. Anyone have insight on this?

That was right toward the end of Clash II wasn't it? Would that make it '85?

Correct. Mick had gone for a family holiday to the Bahamas just after completing This Is BAD. Joe hired a bicycle on the island and found him, only for Mick to tell him he wasn't returning to the Clash. That's probably why Joe said it was shit.

Hurt feelings.

Don Letts recounts the story in a little more detail in his new book but I'll not throw out any spoilers.

Kindle purchased.