Lost 1983 Demoes with Mick Jones?

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Re: Lost 1983 Demoes with Mick Jones?

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RockNRollWhore wrote:
26 Mar 2021, 12:16pm
Imagine if CTC actually took off sales wise? The 1986 mega tour featuring Pet Shop Boys, Depeche Mode, and the Clash. The Clash are now one of the biggest bands on the planet and regular staple on MTV, and the tabloid section. Strummer makes several cameos as an English druglord on Miami Vice. He subsequently develops a severe cocaine addiction, and by the early 90s has hit rock bottom. Kurt Cobain declares Joe Strummer as public enemy #1 of Grunge. “He is the bloated pig carcass of 80s corporate rock music.”Album Sales and concert attendance take a sharp decline. With no job, and Bernie Rhoades siphoning any remaining royalties from the Clash catalog, Joe turns to porn in order to make a living. During the day, he’s a flesh manakin. Making the Fingerpop’ right on time. By night, he prowls the streets of the sunset strip, snorting crushed up expired Quaaludes off of Brett Michaels’ asshole...
Boy did this take a quick dark turn! :eek:

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Re: Lost 1983 Demoes with Mick Jones?

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Silent Majority wrote:
26 Mar 2021, 10:36am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
26 Mar 2021, 9:24am
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26 Mar 2021, 3:26am
matedog wrote:
22 Mar 2021, 12:19pm
No recordings with Mick in 83 have ever surfaced. I don't remember the details about a supposed recording of Bottom Line with Joe, perhaps others could fill in.
Trans Cash Free Pay One was based on the music that became BAD’s The Bottom Line. The TRAC version of Bottom Line had different music. Joe gave a copy of his and Mick’s demo of Trans Cash to Josh Cheuse, so it does exist. Never heard of anything else. The “New Orleans” influenced stuff Bernie had them trying was in rehearsal and didn’t get very far.
Very interesting. I reckon the Clash would have actually been great during the 80s if they stuck together. Mick Jones definitely grew in a whole new different direction as a songwriter.
But in the opposite direction to Strummer, though
I don't know mate. I think musically you are correct but there's plenty of crossover lyrically. I'm thinking stuff like Medicine Show and Evil Darling with it's heavy Westerns / Cowboy theme etc.

The two writing together would've been awesome. If only they had taken a step back at the time and realised what an incredible force they were.
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YoungParisians wrote:
31 Mar 2021, 2:42pm
RockNRollWhore wrote:
26 Mar 2021, 7:24pm
As someone really into 80s synthesizers and drum machines, cut the crap is fascinating. I sometimes half wish they made an entire album like Dictator. Just an hour of non stop atonal synth punk free jazz. That seems common in a lot of film soundtracks at the time. Just slam your entire arm across the keyboard. Lol
Lol...true anarchy indeed! If Bernie's CTC vision was to be this apocalyptic audio assault or Blade Runner meets Mad Max synth punk, then cool idea. Maybe he thought his DIY approach to production would be authentically "punk"? But it still takes talent to produce good chaos versus crappy chaos. Mid-80s Negativland and Butthole Surfers made great tape experiments that sound like "hey, I can do that!" But it still takes talent. Bernie should have found the right experimental producer for the job.
Bernie managed/had a hand in some great bands. The Specials/Dexys Midnight Runners/Subway Sect/JoBoxers/The Clash. All had a very strong identity musically. So to suddenly try to re-invent the sound with Synths and replace the band etc was nuts ....except

Bernie tried this tactic previously with Subway Sect. After recording their first album Bernie sacked the band keeping just Vic Godard then releasing the single 'Ambition' in a remixed form. Bernie also used the group "The Black Arabs" on the "Swindle" soundtrack then again backing Vic Godard on the single 'Stop That Girl'. By the time of CtC Malcolm McLaren, Bernie's old sparring partner had had success with 'Buffalo Girls' and 'Double Dutch'. Malcolm had even supported The Clash (II) on some dates. I think it's a case of Bernie becoming the green eyed monster and finally taking complete control.
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