Do you think the Debut would have sounded better with topper?

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I like Terry, I like Topper .... am I a sinner? :meh:
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Red Angel wrote:
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I like Terry, I like Topper .... am I a sinner? :meh:
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Re: Do you think the Debut would have sounded better with topper?

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Heston wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 7:21pm
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27 Apr 2021, 7:07pm
Regardless of who was or could have been the better drummer for their first album, I will say without a doubt the Vanilla version of Remote Control is the best ever, never really cared for the song until hearing this version. Not that it's a bad song, just wasn't as strong or catchy as the others on the album IMO.
Oh dear, I might have to search out that poll where I unexpectedly won. The album version is way better for me.
I hate myself for saying this but...I agree?
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Re: Do you think the Debut would have sounded better with topper?

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Wolter wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:44am
Heston wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 7:21pm
Sparky wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 7:07pm
Regardless of who was or could have been the better drummer for their first album, I will say without a doubt the Vanilla version of Remote Control is the best ever, never really cared for the song until hearing this version. Not that it's a bad song, just wasn't as strong or catchy as the others on the album IMO.
Oh dear, I might have to search out that poll where I unexpectedly won. The album version is way better for me.
I hate myself for saying this but...I agree?
The Vanilla version just sounds like a half-assed run through. The album version has one of Mick's best ever guitar solos and a coherent performance.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Re: Do you think the Debut would have sounded better with topper?

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Heston wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 9:25am
Wolter wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:44am
Heston wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 7:21pm
Sparky wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 7:07pm
Regardless of who was or could have been the better drummer for their first album, I will say without a doubt the Vanilla version of Remote Control is the best ever, never really cared for the song until hearing this version. Not that it's a bad song, just wasn't as strong or catchy as the others on the album IMO.
Oh dear, I might have to search out that poll where I unexpectedly won. The album version is way better for me.
I hate myself for saying this but...I agree?
The Vanilla version just sounds like a half-assed run through. The album version has one of Mick's best ever guitar solos and a coherent performance.
Just listened to both versions again, I think it's the guitar on the Vanilla version that grabs me more than the other.
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matedog wrote:
27 Apr 2021, 12:01pm
I always wanted to see more outtakes from that session, but haven't found many:
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Found another.
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And another.
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Other than the stairs and the Rehearsal Rehearsals shots, any idea where these outtakes are from? Camden is pretty dense and developed. At least 40 years after the photos were taken when I went there.
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matedog wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 6:03pm
Other than the stairs and the Rehearsal Rehearsals shots, any idea where these outtakes are from? Camden is pretty dense and developed. At least 40 years after the photos were taken when I went there.
Well the other shots are from the British Rail yard that was where Rehearsal Rehearsals was situated long before that area became the market it is now.

Here's another shot from a different shoot taken in that area and you can see the rail lines and The Roundhouse in the distance where Joe had played previously with The 101ers.
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Some really great images in this thread, thanks Marky.
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How many clash photo books actually exist? I feel like there should be more on market. I understand google free images is a great resource but sometimes it’s nice to be able to flip through a book and see everything collected.

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RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:25pm
How many clash photo books actually exist? I feel like there should be more on market. I understand google free images is a great resource but sometimes it’s nice to be able to flip through a book and see everything collected.
Pennie Smith & Bob Gruen both have really good Clash photo books out. I had to search a bit, but was able to get used copies of both online.
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Sparky wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:50pm
RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:25pm
How many clash photo books actually exist? I feel like there should be more on market. I understand google free images is a great resource but sometimes it’s nice to be able to flip through a book and see everything collected.
Pennie Smith & Bob Gruen both have really good Clash photo books out. I had to search a bit, but was able to get used copies of both online.
The manics have about 10 they've released

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RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 9:36pm
Sparky wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:50pm
RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:25pm
How many clash photo books actually exist? I feel like there should be more on market. I understand google free images is a great resource but sometimes it’s nice to be able to flip through a book and see everything collected.
Pennie Smith & Bob Gruen both have really good Clash photo books out. I had to search a bit, but was able to get used copies of both online.
The manics have about 10 they've released
Yeah but they have Mitch taking a lot of those.
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Marky Dread wrote:
29 Apr 2021, 4:14am
RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 9:36pm
Sparky wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:50pm
RockNRollWhore wrote:
28 Apr 2021, 8:25pm
How many clash photo books actually exist? I feel like there should be more on market. I understand google free images is a great resource but sometimes it’s nice to be able to flip through a book and see everything collected.
Pennie Smith & Bob Gruen both have really good Clash photo books out. I had to search a bit, but was able to get used copies of both online.
The manics have about 10 they've released
Yeah but they have Mitch taking a lot of those.
The worst is the Nicky Polaroid album. Cost 200$ upon release. Now cheaper than chips on Amazon. Click here if you want 300 blurry photos of trees:

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