Rat Patrol 2LP acetate

[Heston]

This might sound like an off the wall choice but Todd Rundgren would have been a good pick too. I think he and Mick would have hit it off and he was/is a big a pothead as they were. He helped The Psychedelic Furs and Cheap Trick make the transition from riff-rock to more mainstream New Wave club-ready stuff and could have done the same with The Clash.

I'm sure that the fact Todd produced the Dolls album would've been a big plus. That said when Todd worked with XTC Andy Partridge hated him.

Indeed. But it was also their biggest selling album at a point in time when the entire industry had written them off years before.

It certainly would've been interesting if whichever producer was chosen they had been someone brave and conducive to new ideas. I think Todd may have been too disciplined for The Clash.

Yeah, he was a real taskmaster. Colin Moulding quit the band for a while during the sessions and Andy met his match for the one and only time. Although the results speak for themselves, XTC were nice clean living boys. The Clash were basically out of control on drugs, and only capable of being managed by a lunatic at that point.

[Flex]

Haven't really gotten to put my head down and dig into this new find, but wanted to say thanks to all (Doc->BB->WWK) who have captured and worked on this new RP source. I'll be listening today and am very excited.

[matedog]

Being a fan of hectoring, I much prefer the CR version of KYR. Generally, the delivery is more direct, more serious.

Really? I think the opposite. It seems a bit affected on the RP take. And "fish money?" Wtf? The best take of KYR is on FHTE, barnstorming performance.

"You have the right not to be killed"
"You have the right to stay alive"

Throughout, the lyrics are a lot more direct and refined. The vocal delivery has a lot more gusto too on CR. He has a weird almost late 60s Dylan affectation on RP. But those hi hats...

[matedog]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

[Marky Dread]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

[IkarisOne]

This might sound like an off the wall choice but Todd Rundgren would have been a good pick too. I think he and Mick would have hit it off and he was/is a big a pothead as they were. He helped The Psychedelic Furs and Cheap Trick make the transition from riff-rock to more mainstream New Wave club-ready stuff and could have done the same with The Clash.

I'm sure that the fact Todd produced the Dolls album would've been a big plus. That said when Todd worked with XTC Andy Partridge hated him.

Indeed. But it was also their biggest selling album at a point in time when the entire industry had written them off years before.

It certainly would've been interesting if whichever producer was chosen they had been someone brave and conducive to new ideas. I think Todd may have been too disciplined for The Clash.

Yeah, he was a real taskmaster. Colin Moulding quit the band for a while during the sessions and Andy met his match for the one and only time. Although the results speak for themselves, XTC were nice clean living boys. The Clash were basically out of control on drugs, and only capable of being managed by a lunatic at that point.

Well, if he handled the Dolls he could have handled The Clash. And "earn enough for us" is a top 5 XTC song for me, so put all the drama in context.

[Heston]

I'm sure that the fact Todd produced the Dolls album would've been a big plus. That said when Todd worked with XTC Andy Partridge hated him.

Indeed. But it was also their biggest selling album at a point in time when the entire industry had written them off years before.

It certainly would've been interesting if whichever producer was chosen they had been someone brave and conducive to new ideas. I think Todd may have been too disciplined for The Clash.

Yeah, he was a real taskmaster. Colin Moulding quit the band for a while during the sessions and Andy met his match for the one and only time. Although the results speak for themselves, XTC were nice clean living boys. The Clash were basically out of control on drugs, and only capable of being managed by a lunatic at that point.

Well, if he handled the Dolls he could have handled The Clash. And "earn enough for us" is a top 5 XTC song for me, so put all the drama in context.

"Summer's Cauldron" is my favourite XTC song and has a swampy sound that could have worked perfectly on Rat Patrol. It's all ifs and buts, but it's nice to speculate.

[Marky Dread]

Indeed. But it was also their biggest selling album at a point in time when the entire industry had written them off years before.

It certainly would've been interesting if whichever producer was chosen they had been someone brave and conducive to new ideas. I think Todd may have been too disciplined for The Clash.

Yeah, he was a real taskmaster. Colin Moulding quit the band for a while during the sessions and Andy met his match for the one and only time. Although the results speak for themselves, XTC were nice clean living boys. The Clash were basically out of control on drugs, and only capable of being managed by a lunatic at that point.

Well, if he handled the Dolls he could have handled The Clash. And "earn enough for us" is a top 5 XTC song for me, so put all the drama in context.

"Summer's Cauldron" is my favourite XTC song and has a swampy sound that could have worked perfectly on Rat Patrol. It's all ifs and buts, but it's nice to speculate.

I know who The Clash should've used as producer...

...that bloke Mick Jones.

[IkarisOne]

Indeed. But it was also their biggest selling album at a point in time when the entire industry had written them off years before.

It certainly would've been interesting if whichever producer was chosen they had been someone brave and conducive to new ideas. I think Todd may have been too disciplined for The Clash.

Yeah, he was a real taskmaster. Colin Moulding quit the band for a while during the sessions and Andy met his match for the one and only time. Although the results speak for themselves, XTC were nice clean living boys. The Clash were basically out of control on drugs, and only capable of being managed by a lunatic at that point.

Well, if he handled the Dolls he could have handled The Clash. And "earn enough for us" is a top 5 XTC song for me, so put all the drama in context.

"Summer's Cauldron" is my favourite XTC song and has a swampy sound that could have worked perfectly on Rat Patrol. It's all ifs and buts, but it's nice to speculate.

Well, way things are going you'll be able to get a Rundgrenizer for Audacity or whatever. After what Gerald did, all bets are off.

Seriously, for me it all boils down to "is this a great pop song or not?" New Rose is a great pop song, Ballroom Blitz is a great pop song, Gates of the West is a great pop song, so you can have guitars all over the place. E-MC2 is a great pop song, C'mon Every Beatbox is a great pop song, Just Play Music is a great pop song. I'm amazed by how well so much 80s New Wave holds up today, even stuff I couldn't stand at the time. It's just great pop and pop is timeless.

The problem The Clash had was they didn't have enough A material for another double LP and they should have spent more time developing the B/B+ for a filler-free single. So I think a taskmaster could have come in handy.

[matedog]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

Yeesh, that's even more belligerent than the CR version.

[Wolter]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

Yeesh, that's even more belligerent than the CR version.

Finally, music for Wolter!

[Marky Dread]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

Yeesh, that's even more belligerent than the CR version.

Yep Joe is proper shouting out those vocals. I think this is the take where they were arguing over bass levels.

[dave202]

This might sound like an off the wall choice but Todd Rundgren would have been a good pick too. I think he and Mick would have hit it off and he was/is a big a pothead as they were. He helped The Psychedelic Furs and Cheap Trick make the transition from riff-rock to more mainstream New Wave club-ready stuff and could have done the same with The Clash.

Don't forget his work with Patti Smith on her fourth album, 'Wave', still my second favourite to 'Horses'. Why hasn't John Cale been mentioned as a probable producer. Well, hmm...

[Heston]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

Yeesh, that's even more belligerent than the CR version.

Yep Joe is proper shouting out those vocals. I think this is the take where they were arguing over bass levels.

It's the bass I love about that version, it sounds great.

[Marky Dread]

Interesting that the mixing session footage lyrics are closer to Combat Rock than to Rat Patrol eventhough I believe this was made in November or December 81 (ie prior to Rat Patrol being completed):

Here's a cleaned up alt. take of KYR.
https://mega.nz/file/Y0oXUSyT#R1m5_XxHT ... dLPxPmicoI

Yeesh, that's even more belligerent than the CR version.

Yep Joe is proper shouting out those vocals. I think this is the take where they were arguing over bass levels.

It's the bass I love about that version, it sounds great.

Really? This is the version I cleaned up. Before it was distorted to hell with the vass too loud.