Rat Patrol 2LP acetate

[matedog]

"Better make Inoculated City shorter and worse! There needs to be room for Red Angel Dragnet! I'm very successful!"

In fairness, he did take over a minute off of Red Angel Dragnet. We lost more of the sound collage portion of Inoculated sure.

What's a producer's job, if not to say: don't let your publicist do a shit impersonation of a film from six years ago for this album that we want to see go top ten? Or, why don't we replace these Paul vocals with something from a singer, any singer?

For real. Not sure why RAD was always in every iteration of this album.

Your answer is in the acronym.

I was going to call the Red Angel Dragnet fanboys RADboys, but that’s the last thing you psychopaths need.

[white man]

Also, I think Red Angel Dragnet is on par with Dictator as one of the worst things they ever did. Nothing on the first five albums comes close to being as shockingly bad as RAD. Yeah the drums are great, but the choices made throughout are just bafflingly awful. Paul sounds ridiculous basically doing a spoken word rant about New York or something and Kosmo doing a stupid Taxi Driver impression when they probably could have gotten their buddy Scorcese to buy off on the actual sample. And when listening to this great new Rat Patrol, I forgot how long the Taxi Driver bit goes on for. There's a Joe/Mick part that is kind of a chorus but does not remotely redeem the track. It's barely there. At least Dictator has Joe singing.

I always assumed the vocals were more of a joke, a sort of gonzo, beat-poet parody thing that was intended to be strange. For me it works, but I am somewhat relieved when it gets to the "who shot the shot" part. Micks guitar on it is pretty strange too, maybe one of the only times he used tremolo?

Listening to Gob and Crooked Beat i think it's safe to assume that it is no joke. And that is this is how Paul sounds, whether he's laying a track down in a vocal booth or singing in the shower.

[bazarboy75]

Is it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?

The whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.

I'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.

Quite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.

It sounds to me like a single track/take. He does this interesting kinda double drag (I think that's the drum rudiment term, i'm rusty on those). It's very unorthodox and would require a bit of practice, but it's not otherworldly.

Straight to Hell is the one I think has to be more than one drum track.

Top was and still a great drummer and even if the band liked to be a very live studio band Top did some overdub that 100% sure. Don t know the track but a french drummer who was présent during a sandinista session told me that on one track Top was not enought satisfied by his bass drum recording and redone this part and only this part entirely. So add hi hât after recording the drum track yeah sure

[Red Angel]

There was a friend of mine who criticized and automatically gave less value to all successful albums, if this were true we would have to rewrite the history of music. This snobbish attitude, very frequent among music lovers who think they are chosen minds compared to others, fortunately does not belong to me because I am not afraid to get confused in the crowd if I like something. I suggest launching a contest: "We Are All Producers", build your Rat Patrol, upload and then we vote.

[Toppers Boppers]

Anyone else hearing Joe exclaim 'Rat Patrol' toward the end of Innnoc City? It's at 16:25 on the second disc. Whole load of interesting ad libs / effects / samples going on at the end of that track run out. Stunning.

[Marky Dread]

Anyone else hearing Joe exclaim 'Rat Patrol' toward the end of Innnoc City? It's at 16:25 on the second disc. Whole load of interesting ad libs / effects / samples going on at the end of that track run out. Stunning.

"Who let that Rat Patrol in here?"

[Silent Majority]

Anyone else hearing Joe exclaim 'Rat Patrol' toward the end of Innnoc City? It's at 16:25 on the second disc. Whole load of interesting ad libs / effects / samples going on at the end of that track run out. Stunning.

Yeah, it's why I called it the title track above.

[Low Down Low]

I really can't stand the way Paul sings "overalls" in RAD. "Wearing overalls and for once and for all" is up there among the worst things they ever did imo. But i appreciate that line about toppers drumming, that definitely gives me a new angle to appreciate the song.

Speaking of tops, just read this quote in the pink book: "After recording CR and having played on it, written the song and been involved from beginning to end - that's when i felt that i was really part of the band."

Just makes me sad reading that.

[Marky Dread]

I really can't stand the way Paul sings "overalls" in RAD. "Wearing overalls and for once and for all" is up there among the worst things they ever did imo. But i appreciate that line about toppers drumming, that definitely gives me a new angle to appreciate the song.

Speaking of tops, just read this quote in the pink book: "After recording CR and having played on it, written the song and been involved from beginning to end - that's when i felt that i was really part of the band."

Just makes me sad reading that.

I don't think you are "being risonable" about this.

[Low Down Low]

I really can't stand the way Paul sings "overalls" in RAD. "Wearing overalls and for once and for all" is up there among the worst things they ever did imo. But i appreciate that line about toppers drumming, that definitely gives me a new angle to appreciate the song.

Speaking of tops, just read this quote in the pink book: "After recording CR and having played on it, written the song and been involved from beginning to end - that's when i felt that i was really part of the band."

Just makes me sad reading that.

I don't think you are "being risonable" about this.

Possibly harsh but i like to think i know a bum line when i see it

[lanini66]

I quite like RAD... It fits better on Rat Patrol than on CR, anyway. I think

The Ranking Roger version is also pretty boss.

Someone technically skilled could try to dub the real Bob De Niro voice over Kosmo's...

[Low Down Low]

You know what would truly have been RAD was releasing the full Inoculated City as a single, samples and various bells and whistles, the whole shebang. Might not have done much chartwise, but then KYR didnt leave much of a dent either. Would love to have seen the critics trying to grapple with it.

[Toppers Boppers]

Anyone else hearing Joe exclaim 'Rat Patrol' toward the end of Innnoc City? It's at 16:25 on the second disc. Whole load of interesting ad libs / effects / samples going on at the end of that track run out. Stunning.

Yeah, it's why I called it the title track above.

Ah, gotcha. So much info coming out thick and fast on this thread :)

[Heston]

You know what would truly have been RAD was releasing the full Inoculated City as a single, samples and various bells and whistles, the whole shebang. Might not have done much chartwise, but then KYR didnt leave much of a dent either. Would love to have seen the critics trying to grapple with it.

I've long said IC should have been the "other" single from CR. It's the catchiest and most commercial thing on there after RtC and SISOSIG. Know Your Rights was a waste of time as a single.

[Marky Dread]

I quite like RAD... It fits better on Rat Patrol than on CR, anyway. I think

The Ranking Roger version is also pretty boss.

Someone technically skilled could try to dub the real Bob De Niro voice over Kosmo's...

I've already done this. I'll upload it for you if you like?