The two Ranking Roger tracks perhaps?
Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
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Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
What if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
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Only considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.Red Angel wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:02amWhat if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
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Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
After some listening and comparisons, I came to this conclusion: there are two versions of "Death Is A Star".
1) Official release (Combat Rock) - 3:11
2) Mick Jones mix (version available only on this acetate) - about 3:11
All other versions of Mick Jones mix, available on bootlegs and various reconstructions, fade out about at 2:36
If I'm wrong please let me know.
1) Official release (Combat Rock) - 3:11
2) Mick Jones mix (version available only on this acetate) - about 3:11
All other versions of Mick Jones mix, available on bootlegs and various reconstructions, fade out about at 2:36
If I'm wrong please let me know.
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Not two versions exactly. The one on Combat Rock is a different mix and edit to the one on Rat Patrol. But they are the same take. The Rat Patrol one is slightly longer with some extra jangling bell sounds at the end.Red Angel wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 5:42amAfter some listening and comparisons, I came to this conclusion: there are two versions of "Death Is A Star".
1) Official release (Combat Rock) - 3:11
2) Mick Jones mix (version available only on this acetate) - about 3:11
All other versions of Mick Jones mix, available on bootlegs and various reconstructions, fade out about at 2:36
If I'm wrong please let me know.
If some of the bootlegs have a 2 min 36 seconds then that's because they edited the track probably due to too much hiss is the quieter sections. Hope this helps.
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Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
It helps a lot, in fact I imagined it was so. Thanks.Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 5:51amNot two versions exactly. The one on Combat Rock is a different mix and edit to the one on Rat Patrol. But they are the same take. The Rat Patrol one is slightly longer with some extra jangling bell sounds at the end.Red Angel wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 5:42amAfter some listening and comparisons, I came to this conclusion: there are two versions of "Death Is A Star".
1) Official release (Combat Rock) - 3:11
2) Mick Jones mix (version available only on this acetate) - about 3:11
All other versions of Mick Jones mix, available on bootlegs and various reconstructions, fade out about at 2:36
If I'm wrong please let me know.
If some of the bootlegs have a 2 min 36 seconds then that's because they edited the track probably due to too much hiss is the quieter sections. Hope this helps.
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The Golden Bullets album says “ The extended New York Remix by Mick Jones. Initial copies of 'Combat Rock' album were due a bonus 12" EP of remixes of which this was part.” It doesn’t say what the other remixes were going to be.
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Mustapha Dance that was used on the 12" B-side.
The bootleg suggests an EP but it may have just been a 12" with Mustapha Dance and Overpowered By Funk on each side.
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Thanks Marky, that makes sense.Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 May 2022, 3:10pmMustapha Dance that was used on the 12" B-side.
The bootleg suggests an EP but it may have just been a 12" with Mustapha Dance and Overpowered By Funk on each side.
Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
There's a shorter version of 'Once You Know' on Tymon's 1982 album, 'Battle of Wills,' and also on his compilation album 'The Irrepressible Tymon Dogg A Collection 1968-2010.' The later features a re-recorded version of 'Lose This Skin' rather than the 'Sandanista!' version.Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:21amOnly considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.Red Angel wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:02amWhat if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
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"Once You Know" from Tymon's "Battle of Wills" album is not the same version he recorded with The Clash. It also has different lyrics.dave202 wrote: ↑23 May 2022, 9:56amThere's a shorter version of 'Once You Know' on Tymon's 1982 album, 'Battle of Wills,' and also on his compilation album 'The Irrepressible Tymon Dogg A Collection 1968-2010.' The later features a re-recorded version of 'Lose This Skin' rather than the 'Sandanista!' version.Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:21amOnly considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.Red Angel wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:02amWhat if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
Forces have been looting
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The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
Sorry, I meant to say different too. I hadn't thought about the lyrics, it's been a long time since I last played it. Thanks for the info, I'm going to dig it out tonight.Marky Dread wrote: ↑23 May 2022, 11:24am"Once You Know" from Tymon's "Battle of Wills" album is not the same version he recorded with The Clash. It also has different lyrics.dave202 wrote: ↑23 May 2022, 9:56amThere's a shorter version of 'Once You Know' on Tymon's 1982 album, 'Battle of Wills,' and also on his compilation album 'The Irrepressible Tymon Dogg A Collection 1968-2010.' The later features a re-recorded version of 'Lose This Skin' rather than the 'Sandanista!' version.Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:21amOnly considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.
Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
I can't find it right now but isn't there a preliminary track listing for Combat Rock from a Strummer notebook that lists a Tymon track?Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:21amOnly considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.Red Angel wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:02amWhat if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
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Re: Rat Patrol 2LP acetate
There's this screen cap for a BBC doc.Equaliser wrote: ↑24 May 2022, 12:48pmI can't find it right now but isn't there a preliminary track listing for Combat Rock from a Strummer notebook that lists a Tymon track?Marky Dread wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:21amOnly considered for a Tymon release I think. Hence it was an outtake. Could've been included on this new release.Red Angel wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 7:02amWhat if it was the full version of "Once You Know"? According to Tymon Dogg it lasted 8 minutes.
Then this from a draft of early artwork
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