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This is kinda interesting...



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0L3WPh9jAMY

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If you listen to the breakdown of If Music Could Talk vs Revolution Rock, those are different bass players


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sOX-eYxVVo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPVZvCY5ZI

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There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
I think it's just a D note on the bass against a G chord on the keys/guitar.
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marxwallace wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:38pm
If you listen to the breakdown of If Music Could Talk vs Revolution Rock, those are different bass players


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sOX-eYxVVo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPVZvCY5ZI
Paul on Revolution Rock and Watt-Roy on IMCT I reckon.
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Heston wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:52pm
matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
I think it's just a D note on the bass against a G chord on the keys/guitar.
Weird. It seems a bit jarring, but my sense of tone is pretty awful.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Heston wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:53pm
marxwallace wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:38pm
If you listen to the breakdown of If Music Could Talk vs Revolution Rock, those are different bass players


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sOX-eYxVVo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPVZvCY5ZI
Paul on Revolution Rock and Watt-Roy on IMCT I reckon.
There's certainly more fluidity on IMCT, particularly the sliding. Paul only played with a pick and NWR only played without right? Not sure if people with more astute bass ears can decipher on either track.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
Yeah, I could here it too, but I don't play any instruments, so I can't really analyze it too much, but it does sound "off". Heston's explanation probably nailed it
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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
I never noticed that either. The whole phrase there is D-E-B (V-VI-III over the G). I historically have only played a D there.
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Kory wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:29pm
matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
I never noticed that either. The whole phrase there is D-E-B (V-VI-III over the G). I historically have only played a D there.
Ah, it's the E which makes sense as being somewhat jarring over a G chord.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:35pm
Kory wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:29pm
matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:43pm
There's some interesting seemingly off key note he hits during the "oh my corazon" part on Spanish Bombs that I've never noticed. It's a bit of a passing tone.
I never noticed that either. The whole phrase there is D-E-B (V-VI-III over the G). I historically have only played a D there.
Ah, it's the E which makes sense as being somewhat jarring over a G chord.
The the VI tone isn't going to be the most consonant. It does prick up the ears though. However, Gmaj is the III tone in an Emin scale, so it goes back and forth I guess.
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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:06pm
Heston wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:53pm
marxwallace wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:38pm
If you listen to the breakdown of If Music Could Talk vs Revolution Rock, those are different bass players


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sOX-eYxVVo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poPVZvCY5ZI
Paul on Revolution Rock and Watt-Roy on IMCT I reckon.
There's certainly more fluidity on IMCT, particularly the sliding. Paul only played with a pick and NWR only played without right? Not sure if people with more astute bass ears can decipher on either track.
Paul played fingerstyle on Bankrobber, and on stage occasionally as well (see KYR footage). RR definitely sounds fingerstyle to me, whereas IMCT could be pickstyle, if we assume the high end has been rolled off the amp. Both tracks have Paul-style flubs within, so I'm not convinced they aren't both Paul, or both the same player, at any rate. I'd imagine they played a lot of shows between recording LC and S! — that's basically practice every night. He could have improved that much over a few months. Otherwise, it's probably Mick.
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Kory wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:45pm
matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:06pm
Heston wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:53pm

Paul on Revolution Rock and Watt-Roy on IMCT I reckon.
There's certainly more fluidity on IMCT, particularly the sliding. Paul only played with a pick and NWR only played without right? Not sure if people with more astute bass ears can decipher on either track.
Paul played fingerstyle on Bankrobber, and on stage occasionally as well (see KYR footage). RR definitely sounds fingerstyle to me, whereas IMCT could be pickstyle, if we assume the high end has been rolled off the amp. Both tracks have Paul-style flubs within, so I'm not convinced they aren't both Paul, or both the same player, at any rate. I'd imagine they played a lot of shows between recording LC and S! — that's basically practice every night. He could have improved that much over a few months. Otherwise, it's probably Mick.
The Clash FAQ book has Paul as on IMCT, though I don't think that book is definitive. Your feedback on anything bass-centric is always appreciated.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:56pm
Kory wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:45pm
matedog wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 5:06pm
Heston wrote:
11 Apr 2022, 4:53pm

Paul on Revolution Rock and Watt-Roy on IMCT I reckon.
There's certainly more fluidity on IMCT, particularly the sliding. Paul only played with a pick and NWR only played without right? Not sure if people with more astute bass ears can decipher on either track.
Paul played fingerstyle on Bankrobber, and on stage occasionally as well (see KYR footage). RR definitely sounds fingerstyle to me, whereas IMCT could be pickstyle, if we assume the high end has been rolled off the amp. Both tracks have Paul-style flubs within, so I'm not convinced they aren't both Paul, or both the same player, at any rate. I'd imagine they played a lot of shows between recording LC and S! — that's basically practice every night. He could have improved that much over a few months. Otherwise, it's probably Mick.
The Clash FAQ book has Paul as on IMCT, though I don't think that book is definitive. Your feedback on anything bass-centric is always appreciated.
I expect almost anything S! related to be misremembered, but that track definitely doesn't sound like NWR to me.
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