Every Week is EET Week at the Mohawk Revenge Cafe

[IkarisOne]

This former little Facebook group has now become the most extensive resource of Clash II materials the world has ever seen.

If you're hungry for some piranha and chips, come EET with us.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/542323997238889

[Olaf]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

[Flex]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

[Marky Dread]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

[Silent Majority]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

[Marky Dread]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

Just a continuation of the same band. I don't see other bands being called (II). Oh well just my problem.

[Low Down Low]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

Just a continuation of the same band. I don't see other bands being called (II). Oh well just my problem.

I for one see your point. If the band had officially become defunct and then reformed, it would make more sense. Dexys Midnight Runners changed at least 75% of personnel from album to album and I don't recall anyone ever referring to them as anything other than Dexys Midnight Runners. I'm fine with it, though I always associated it with ever so slight derogatory overtones.

[Dr. Medulla]

Peeps, Gerald needs your help here. Do it now!

https://www.facebook.com/share/p/15p248PMCk/

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

Just a continuation of the same band. I don't see other bands being called (II). Oh well just my problem.

[Silent Majority]

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

Just a continuation of the same band. I don't see other bands being called (II). Oh well just my problem.

Ah, right, that'll be the etymological imaginative spur behind calling them Clash II.

[Marky Dread]

Do EET now!

And agreed that CK's FB group is really the premiere source for mark ii era info. I just lurk, but I'm always pretty amazed out how much stuff from that period of the band is out there. it's also nice to read people's positive recollections of seeing the band back then.

I saw them live and enjoyed the show. But nowhere were they billed as The Clash II.

Still, it's a useful and efficient way of making a necessary distinction.

Just a continuation of the same band. I don't see other bands being called (II). Oh well just my problem.

That's the problem Mick called his new band BAD II. It was a bit of fun a play on movie titles like say Jaws II. However The Clash with the new recruits were called The Clash.

After BAD II Mick returned to using Big Audio Dynamite. Nobody refers to the later group as BAD III. There was no The Clash II. I find it stupid. The original band were a 5 piece so after Keith Levene left they would've been Clash II.

[Low Down Low]

I'd be very curious to know the etymology here, who first coined it and when it came into general use. Always thought it had a clear purpose, though, namely to dissociate and clearly delineate it from the earlier, authentic Clash. To disown it, essentially, to be able to cope with the whole Crap era with a dismissive shrug, that really, that wasn't actually the real Clash at all but some embarrassing fake hybrid.

[Flex]

I actually think clash II is respectful. This was a lineup that was really doing its own thing and lets them be judged on their own merits. It's unabashed historical revisionism, but a revisionism that suits the purpose, I think.

[Marky Dread]

I actually think clash II is respectful. This was a lineup that was really doing its own thing and lets them be judged on their own merits. It's unabashed historical revisionism, but a revisionism that suits the purpose, I think.

Their own thing would be a band not playing all the old songs then. Their own thing would be a band who got to record their album. They were anything but their own thing. Their own thing would be using a name that wasn't "The Clash".

I've always felt sorry for Nick and Vince. They were on a hiding to nothing. Pete was already in the band with Mick. They were treated just like hired hands and deserved better. However they joined a band called The Clash. I find Clash II disrespectful like they are not really worthy of being in The Clash. Cut the Crap is an absolute abortion of a record for such a top tier band.
They should've got their chance to play their songs the way they wanted to be heard.

Gerald did a beautiful job recreating CtC however it writes them out of the album all over again.

Clash II seems to diminish what they were doing like this isn't actually "The Clash".

Well it was The Clash just different. I accept that totally. Could these new guys ever match what went before? Tall order for anyone I think.

Seeing them in Brixton left me feeling positive like there was some real possibilities of getting back to some good times. I'm a huge Mick fan and I make no apologies for that but The Clash had to continue but when that album finally dropped I was stunned.

[Low Down Low]

I actually think clash II is respectful. This was a lineup that was really doing its own thing and lets them be judged on their own merits. It's unabashed historical revisionism, but a revisionism that suits the purpose, I think.

Their own thing would be a band not playing all the old songs then. Their own thing would be a band who got to record their album. They were anything but their own thing. Their own thing would be using a name that wasn't "The Clash".

I've always felt sorry for Nick and Vince. They were on a hiding to nothing. Pete was already in the band with Mick. They were treated just like hired hands and deserved better. However they joined a band called The Clash. I find Clash II disrespectful like they are not really worthy of being in The Clash. Cut the Crap is an absolute abortion of a record for such a top tier band.
They should've got their chance to play their songs the way they wanted to be heard.

Gerald did a beautiful job recreating CtC however it writes them out of the album all over again.

Clash II seems to diminish what they were doing like this isn't actually "The Clash".

Well it was The Clash just different. I accept that totally. Could these new guys ever match what went before? Tall order for anyone I think.

Seeing them in Brixton left me feeling positive like there was some real possibilities of getting back to some good times. I'm a huge Mick fan and I make no apologies for that but The Clash had to continue but when that album finally dropped I was stunned.

I got to see them in 84, the only chance I got to see The Clash live, and I'm forever grateful for that. And I applaud the passion with which people are apparently championing this era of the band on Facebook or wherever, but it's not for me. Anyway, I agree with everything written here and couldn't put it better myself, apart from the sympathy for Vince bit. Maybe at one stage before I knew what a 24 carat cunt he is, that ship has long since sailed.

[Flex]

We all know they should have been called Clash III anyways, since the Rob Harper version of the band was the only REAL clash.