The Clash observations thread.

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Silent Majority wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 10:26am
Heston wrote:
25 Sep 2020, 8:16pm
Is this Strummer inventing the moonwalk at 50 seconds? He is possessed at this gig, I forgot how great it was. There's some rarely seen footage at the end as well, outtakes of Joe recording All the Young Punks from the Rude Boy Extras.

Some of my favourite Clash footage. Love when he kicks the frontage from the drum riser.
Haha, yes it's great.
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Heston wrote:
25 Sep 2020, 8:16pm
Is this Strummer inventing the moonwalk at 50 seconds? He is possessed at this gig, I forgot how great it was. There's some rarely seen footage at the end as well, outtakes of Joe recording All the Young Punks from the Rude Boy Extras.

Can’t stream in US apparently. Is this the Munich footage ?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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matedog wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 10:49am
Heston wrote:
25 Sep 2020, 8:16pm
Is this Strummer inventing the moonwalk at 50 seconds? He is possessed at this gig, I forgot how great it was. There's some rarely seen footage at the end as well, outtakes of Joe recording All the Young Punks from the Rude Boy Extras.

Can’t stream in US apparently. Is this the Munich footage ?
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matedog wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 10:49am
Heston wrote:
25 Sep 2020, 8:16pm
Is this Strummer inventing the moonwalk at 50 seconds? He is possessed at this gig, I forgot how great it was. There's some rarely seen footage at the end as well, outtakes of Joe recording All the Young Punks from the Rude Boy Extras.

Can’t stream in US apparently. Is this the Munich footage ?
Yes but with a nice bonus tacked on the end.
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I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.

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BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 4:59pm
I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.
What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
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Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:38pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 4:59pm
I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.
What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
It's difficult as LC has some of my favourite Clash songs on there but there's also 1 more dud for me than GEER being Lover's Rock and Four Horsemen, (Revolution Rock can't be considered a dud I'm not the biggest fan) so I have to go,

GEER
LC
S!
CR
S/T
CTC

4 and 5 could change however.

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BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:50pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:38pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 4:59pm
I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.
What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
It's difficult as LC has some of my favourite Clash songs on there but there's also 1 more dud for me than GEER being Lover's Rock and Four Horsemen, (Revolution Rock can't be considered a dud I'm not the biggest fan) so I have to go,

GEER
LC
S!
CR
S/T
CTC

4 and 5 could change however.
Interesting, never had you down as a member of the GEER hordes.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:55pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:50pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:38pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 4:59pm
I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.
What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
It's difficult as LC has some of my favourite Clash songs on there but there's also 1 more dud for me than GEER being Lover's Rock and Four Horsemen, (Revolution Rock can't be considered a dud I'm not the biggest fan) so I have to go,

GEER
LC
S!
CR
S/T
CTC

4 and 5 could change however.
Interesting, never had you down as a member of the GEER hordes.
It's perfect for me bar Cheapskates, Julie isn't the best but not a dud for me. Fabulous album.

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BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:57pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:55pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:50pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:38pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 4:59pm
I love 1:06-1:18 of Tommy Gun so, so much.
What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
It's difficult as LC has some of my favourite Clash songs on there but there's also 1 more dud for me than GEER being Lover's Rock and Four Horsemen, (Revolution Rock can't be considered a dud I'm not the biggest fan) so I have to go,

GEER
LC
S!
CR
S/T
CTC

4 and 5 could change however.
Interesting, never had you down as a member of the GEER hordes.
It's perfect for me bar Cheapskates, Julie isn't the best but not a dud for me. Fabulous album.
I love the chorus to Cheapskates but the verses are a bit boring. An unusual lack of melody and a lumbering arrangement. The lyrics are clever but ultimately ring hollow. But yeah, fucking amazing album.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 6:08pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:57pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:55pm
BitterTom wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:50pm
Heston wrote:
26 Sep 2020, 5:38pm


What is your opinion on London Calling the album? It's just the album I can't remember your opinion on. In fact, how would you rank the Clash albums? I'm just asking this out of interest as you are obviously one of the younger participants on this board.
It's difficult as LC has some of my favourite Clash songs on there but there's also 1 more dud for me than GEER being Lover's Rock and Four Horsemen, (Revolution Rock can't be considered a dud I'm not the biggest fan) so I have to go,

GEER
LC
S!
CR
S/T
CTC

4 and 5 could change however.
Interesting, never had you down as a member of the GEER hordes.
It's perfect for me bar Cheapskates, Julie isn't the best but not a dud for me. Fabulous album.
I love the chorus to Cheapskates but the verses are a bit boring. An unusual lack of melody and a lumbering arrangement. The lyrics are clever but ultimately ring hollow. But yeah, fucking amazing album.
Yep I like the music and the chorus. But some of the lyrics are poor.

I think my list goes;

S!
LC
TC
GEER
CR
CtC
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Was rewatching the Know Your Rights mixing video and was thinking about just how many takes this song went through. Of what we know of, there's the video, an alt version that Marky had put on his Rat Patrol mix, the version on Rat Patrol, then of course the Combat Rock final version. The common thing of all these is that the backing is for the most part the same, but Joe went through constant rewrites on it. Really makes me wonder just how many different versions of the song there ended up being. There's also the takes done earlier in 81 before the Paris shows, which who knows how many times that got a rewrite. The song being an unfinished piece is definitely made evident of all the different lyrical (and sometimes instrumental) variants we got from when it debuted live to when Terry took over.

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River wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 7:33pm
Was rewatching the Know Your Rights mixing video and was thinking about just how many takes this song went through. Of what we know of, there's the video, an alt version that Marky had put on his Rat Patrol mix, the version on Rat Patrol, then of course the Combat Rock final version. The common thing of all these is that the backing is for the most part the same, but Joe went through constant rewrites on it. Really makes me wonder just how many different versions of the song there ended up being. There's also the takes done earlier in 81 before the Paris shows, which who knows how many times that got a rewrite. The song being an unfinished piece is definitely made evident of all the different lyrical (and sometimes instrumental) variants we got from when it debuted livew to when Terry took over.
I know one thing, Paul's bass sounds great in that video. It had the life mixed out of it later.
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Heston wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 8:09pm
River wrote:
28 Sep 2020, 7:33pm
Was rewatching the Know Your Rights mixing video and was thinking about just how many takes this song went through. Of what we know of, there's the video, an alt version that Marky had put on his Rat Patrol mix, the version on Rat Patrol, then of course the Combat Rock final version. The common thing of all these is that the backing is for the most part the same, but Joe went through constant rewrites on it. Really makes me wonder just how many different versions of the song there ended up being. There's also the takes done earlier in 81 before the Paris shows, which who knows how many times that got a rewrite. The song being an unfinished piece is definitely made evident of all the different lyrical (and sometimes instrumental) variants we got from when it debuted livew to when Terry took over.
I know one thing, Paul's bass sounds great in that video. It had the life mixed out of it later.
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I think time can change your clash album preferences. Its why i am surprised when we are over 40 years listening to the same albums there is not a change of opinion. I tried to say something similar when tracks like E-mc2 from BAD are still listed as there best song or London calling from the clash.

But the reason i mention this is because i play Combat Rock more than any other clash album these days only because i have something left to discover with CR where as the other albums have been played forwards , backwards , inside out and back to front that my listening preference has changed . Obviously CR was least played back in the day

I cant say CR is my favourite album as that would be wrong and not justified but if i was wanting to listen to the clash now i get more enjoyment from listening to Combat Rock than any of the other five albums.

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