Quality definitely important for me or else it is a once only listen.
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I usually need both sound quality and performance to be solid to give multiple listens. It can be a little gritty or a little shitty, but if the bones aren’t there on either one, it’ll stay on the metaphorical shelf unless it’s a specifically unique show/performance.
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Re: The Clash observations thread.
That's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
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I'd say 70-30 performance over sound.
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Yeah, thinking about it, as much as I need both, I prefer a slightly bad sounding shit-hot performance to a pristine performance that is clearly sub-par, so performance is probably at least 2/3 of it for me.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
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I hate bootlegs I never listen to them.
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Akron really suffers from the lack of crowd noise. I heard This Is Radio Clash from it recently and they nail it. There are a few good 82 shows with Terry, I think you're being a bit harsh on him.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
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Yeah ''garbage'' is a bit harsh. Compared to Topper most competent drummers pale into insignificance.Heston wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 11:52amAkron really suffers from the lack of crowd noise. I heard This Is Radio Clash from it recently and they nail it. There are a few good 82 shows with Terry, I think you're being a bit harsh on him.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
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I didn't want to discuss the quality of the individual performance because they are personal opinions, but the relationship between performance and recording quality. Inder understood, I say 60-40.
P.S. One of my favorite shows is Kampuchea Concert (27 Dec 79), but I like a lot too Brixton Fair Deal (11 Jul 82), but in the end listen gladly all the concerts recorded in a decent way.
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1. You guys are overly critical of an ok boot from a band that has actually had some objectively shitty performances. This one is fine.
2. I was talking about the DVD since it's one of I think 4 filmed full performances by them.
2. I was talking about the DVD since it's one of I think 4 filmed full performances by them.
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1. Not overly critical mate as there are simply so many other better performances.
2. As others have said it's been available for ages as a bootleg DVD in pristine quality.
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It runs a bit slow too.Heston wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 11:52amAkron really suffers from the lack of crowd noise. I heard This Is Radio Clash from it recently and they nail it. There are a few good 82 shows with Terry, I think you're being a bit harsh on him.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
Hell, the Lyceum Sound System tracks sound like shit due to lack of crowd noise and similar non-mix job.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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The lack of mixing on the Lyceum tracks was very disappointing, especially when we'd seen what could be done.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 2:02pmIt runs a bit slow too.Heston wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 11:52amAkron really suffers from the lack of crowd noise. I heard This Is Radio Clash from it recently and they nail it. There are a few good 82 shows with Terry, I think you're being a bit harsh on him.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
Hell, the Lyceum Sound System tracks sound like shit due to lack of crowd noise and similar non-mix job.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 2:02pmIt runs a bit slow too.Heston wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 11:52amAkron really suffers from the lack of crowd noise. I heard This Is Radio Clash from it recently and they nail it. There are a few good 82 shows with Terry, I think you're being a bit harsh on him.matedog wrote: ↑13 May 2019, 10:22amThat's a good question. There's that great Akron 82 soundboard that I never listen to because Terry is a garbage drummer, but my favorite all time Clash boot is the Scandinavium 5/24/80 show which is hardly pristine. So performance is more important than sound quality, but the quality has to be at least decent.
I thought I sorted this on the remaster I did. Oh well never mind
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