It's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pmDo you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:16pm
Oh definitely possible. The tune feels very rockabilly/cajun which both Paul and Joe were big on at the time. So I think maybe a joint effort could be a solid guess.
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High modernism is predicated on that very requirement, in essence. Only by being fully alienated can your work demonstrate the fundamental alienating nature of modern life. Surely you're not saying the idea of the starving, miserable artist is incorrect, sir!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:13pmIt's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pm
Do you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.
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All the above is correct. But the "Waking Up" album was made after Topper had been through re-hab.Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:13pmIt's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pm
Do you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.
My comment wasn't a put down on what Topper was capable of. But of the fact that "Casbah" was just a short Instrumental jam he had worked on. It had to be doubled in length to produce the track. It was said in response to RNRW asking if Topper was responsible for more stuff like melodies etc.
I'm probably one of the few that enjoys Waking Up but again Topper couldn't of made that album alone. As with "Casbah" being a great tune it still needed Mick's input and a great Joe lyric.
Forces have been looting
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The end of liberty
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No fuchsias for you.
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I guess I just identify with people who don't reach great heights since I live with perpetual writer's block and also fail to reach any heights.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:33pmHigh modernism is predicated on that very requirement, in essence. Only by being fully alienated can your work demonstrate the fundamental alienating nature of modern life. Surely you're not saying the idea of the starving, miserable artist is incorrect, sir!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:13pmIt's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pm
Other than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.
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I presume Topper had a hand in the writing of Ivan, not sure how much though. Really like his vocals on that one and shame he didn't have another one or two to be at least in line with Paul.
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That's what makes you a true triumphant artist. Show me a respect and comfortable artist and I'll show you a fraud!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:00pmI guess I just identify with people who don't reach great heights since I live with perpetual writer's block and also fail to reach any heights.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:33pmHigh modernism is predicated on that very requirement, in essence. Only by being fully alienated can your work demonstrate the fundamental alienating nature of modern life. Surely you're not saying the idea of the starving, miserable artist is incorrect, sir!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:13pmIt's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28am
I agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.
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That Damien Hirst is full of shit, man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:15pmThat's what makes you a true triumphant artist. Show me a respect and comfortable artist and I'll show you a fraud!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:00pmI guess I just identify with people who don't reach great heights since I live with perpetual writer's block and also fail to reach any heights.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:33pmHigh modernism is predicated on that very requirement, in essence. Only by being fully alienated can your work demonstrate the fundamental alienating nature of modern life. Surely you're not saying the idea of the starving, miserable artist is incorrect, sir!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:13pmIt's likely hard to write at that caliber when you don't have your friends around to support you, plus you're deeper into addiction to medicate your depression at being sacked. Not very conducive to creativity, I'm sure.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23am
I would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".
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I swear, if you ever gain recognition and success, I'll scorn you on principle.Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:26pmThat Damien Hirst is full of shit, man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:15pmThat's what makes you a true triumphant artist. Show me a respect and comfortable artist and I'll show you a fraud!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:00pmI guess I just identify with people who don't reach great heights since I live with perpetual writer's block and also fail to reach any heights.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:33pmHigh modernism is predicated on that very requirement, in essence. Only by being fully alienated can your work demonstrate the fundamental alienating nature of modern life. Surely you're not saying the idea of the starving, miserable artist is incorrect, sir!
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Re: The Clash observations thread.
Not having one of the best vocalists and lyricists singing your songs also doesn't help.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pmDo you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:16pm
Oh definitely possible. The tune feels very rockabilly/cajun which both Paul and Joe were big on at the time. So I think maybe a joint effort could be a solid guess.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Should there have been a Topper vocal on RAD?
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Paul's vocal is and always will be rad, and RAD. It makes total sense to me. Personally, I know the alley...
I can't imagine how Joe would have even delivered that song anyway.
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I would prefer that you do. I expect I'd have a very Joe-like ambivalence about it. PTSD from when "selling out" was still a major concern among anybody.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:33pmI swear, if you ever gain recognition and success, I'll scorn you on principle.Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:26pmThat Damien Hirst is full of shit, man.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:15pmThat's what makes you a true triumphant artist. Show me a respect and comfortable artist and I'll show you a fraud!Kory wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 2:00pmI guess I just identify with people who don't reach great heights since I live with perpetual writer's block and also fail to reach any heights.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:33pm
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You could argue that he was far too drug addled at that point.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pmDo you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:16pm
Oh definitely possible. The tune feels very rockabilly/cajun which both Paul and Joe were big on at the time. So I think maybe a joint effort could be a solid guess.
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"casbah". It's a very good track but it still needed Mick and Joe.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 10:37pmYou could argue that he was far too drug addled at that point.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pmOther than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:27pm
Do you think topper contributed more than given credit for? I mean like for melodies, chords that sort of stuff. I mean he was more musically accomplished/well rounded than Paul in many ways.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Have we ever gotten a glance at those "super raunchy" early lyrics Topper wrote up? Can you get any more cringe than lovers rock?Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 May 2021, 3:56am"casbah". It's a very good track but it still needed Mick and Joe.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 10:37pmYou could argue that he was far too drug addled at that point.Marky Dread wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 4:23amI would point you to his so called solo material after he left The Clash. Nothing matches "Casbah".RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 1:28amI agree but That’s just such a fully realized tune that I’m amazed. So much wasted potential that the four of them couldn’t have stayed together. Not a new sentiment I know.Marky Dread wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 5:36pm
Other than "Casbah" I doubt it. Mick and Joe covered enough ground.