Shea Stadium CD

[eumaas]

crisp flans

Shouldn't that be on the "Stuff You Ate" thread? Unless you meant flams?

You didn't know Tops was an aspiring dessert chef?

Wow, he could've been a triple threat..

Drummer, Martial Artist, and Chef

Ugh, A Chorus Line flashback...

[Rat Patrol]

PS - Amsterdam is such a joy because Topper lets loose for a change.

It's fun, but I gotta say I prefer the playing we heard in the Fall residencies- it was much tighter, more focused and much tastier. Lots of crisp hi-hat work, very tight metre (whereas his metre is wacky on Jaap), excellent snare work (lots of rim work and crisp flans). Tops as aspiring R&B pro rather than Tops as teenaged Prog wannabe.

We'll cream our pants over that one when we get a fucking Fall '81 SBD to sink our teeth into. Otherwise I'd fully agree. It's just that's such a frustrating, frustratingly bad-sound period on the available boots. Only Lyceum 10/18, 10/21, and 10/22 really hit the tolerable spot for me for the AUD sources...and they were evolving so fast especially on the new batch of songs that Mogador's a different experience from the Radio Clash tour from Lyceum. Too much murk on those recordings, and I think in addition to diminishing some balls-tight playing we also miss the full effect of Mick perfecting his '81 sound for atmospherics (before his volume started getting ridiculously exaggerated in Asia).

I would actually say Asian Tour has Topper's last stand of greatness. Auckland is one of his best ever, and I would kill to have Complete Control and Clampdown from that show in A- sound. Amazing what a few weeks of cleanliness did for his playing on that portion of the tour.

[daredevil]

PS - Amsterdam is such a joy because Topper lets loose for a change.

It's fun, but I gotta say I prefer the playing we heard in the Fall residencies- it was much tighter, more focused and much tastier. Lots of crisp hi-hat work, very tight metre (whereas his metre is wacky on Jaap), excellent snare work (lots of rim work and crisp flans). Tops as aspiring R&B pro rather than Tops as teenaged Prog wannabe.

We'll cream our pants over that one when we get a fucking Fall '81 SBD to sink our teeth into. Otherwise I'd fully agree. It's just that's such a frustrating, frustratingly bad-sound period on the available boots. Only Lyceum 10/18, 10/21, and 10/22 really hit the tolerable spot for me for the AUD sources...and they were evolving so fast especially on the new batch of songs that Mogador's a different experience from the Radio Clash tour from Lyceum. Too much murk on those recordings, and I think in addition to diminishing some balls-tight playing we also miss the full effect of Mick perfecting his '81 sound for atmospherics (before his volume started getting ridiculously exaggerated in Asia).


I would actually say Asian Tour has Topper's last stand of greatness. Auckland is one of his best ever, and I would kill to have Complete Control and Clampdown from that show in A- sound. Amazing what a few weeks of cleanliness did for his playing on that portion of the tour.

There is a 17 track soundboard from Mogador 9-30-81, but doesn't sound that good. I checked BMC it's a from a high generation tape.

[Rat Patrol]

PS - Amsterdam is such a joy because Topper lets loose for a change.

It's fun, but I gotta say I prefer the playing we heard in the Fall residencies- it was much tighter, more focused and much tastier. Lots of crisp hi-hat work, very tight metre (whereas his metre is wacky on Jaap), excellent snare work (lots of rim work and crisp flans). Tops as aspiring R&B pro rather than Tops as teenaged Prog wannabe.

We'll cream our pants over that one when we get a fucking Fall '81 SBD to sink our teeth into. Otherwise I'd fully agree. It's just that's such a frustrating, frustratingly bad-sound period on the available boots. Only Lyceum 10/18, 10/21, and 10/22 really hit the tolerable spot for me for the AUD sources...and they were evolving so fast especially on the new batch of songs that Mogador's a different experience from the Radio Clash tour from Lyceum. Too much murk on those recordings, and I think in addition to diminishing some balls-tight playing we also miss the full effect of Mick perfecting his '81 sound for atmospherics (before his volume started getting ridiculously exaggerated in Asia).


I would actually say Asian Tour has Topper's last stand of greatness. Auckland is one of his best ever, and I would kill to have Complete Control and Clampdown from that show in A- sound. Amazing what a few weeks of cleanliness did for his playing on that portion of the tour.

There is a 17 track soundboard from Mogador 9-30-81, but doesn't sound that good. I checked BMC it's a from a high generation tape.

I barely even regard that as a true SBD the sound is so fucked.

We need an AMSTERDAM from that era.

[daredevil]

PS - Amsterdam is such a joy because Topper lets loose for a change.

It's fun, but I gotta say I prefer the playing we heard in the Fall residencies- it was much tighter, more focused and much tastier. Lots of crisp hi-hat work, very tight metre (whereas his metre is wacky on Jaap), excellent snare work (lots of rim work and crisp flans). Tops as aspiring R&B pro rather than Tops as teenaged Prog wannabe.

We'll cream our pants over that one when we get a fucking Fall '81 SBD to sink our teeth into. Otherwise I'd fully agree. It's just that's such a frustrating, frustratingly bad-sound period on the available boots. Only Lyceum 10/18, 10/21, and 10/22 really hit the tolerable spot for me for the AUD sources...and they were evolving so fast especially on the new batch of songs that Mogador's a different experience from the Radio Clash tour from Lyceum. Too much murk on those recordings, and I think in addition to diminishing some balls-tight playing we also miss the full effect of Mick perfecting his '81 sound for atmospherics (before his volume started getting ridiculously exaggerated in Asia).


I would actually say Asian Tour has Topper's last stand of greatness. Auckland is one of his best ever, and I would kill to have Complete Control and Clampdown from that show in A- sound. Amazing what a few weeks of cleanliness did for his playing on that portion of the tour.

There is a 17 track soundboard from Mogador 9-30-81, but doesn't sound that good. I checked BMC it's a from a high generation tape.

I barely even regard that as a true SBD the sound is so fucked.

One thing i've learned over the years is that when traders have the word 'master tape' or 'soundboard'
in the description doesn't mean the item is going to sound good.

[Silent Majority]

I'm sorry to bump a bit of history, but I was just reading this monster tonight and I can't copy and paste. Five years is a long, long time, and I can't be sure, but I think this prick here... Is a seventeen year old Silent Majority.

Not sure what the weird, cryptic shit is, but I like the thrust of your review, although I disagree that a setlist qualifies (even barely) a gig as a landmark.

He's probably referring to the pseudo-intellectual one-liners and "ironic" or "post modern" retorts that the bulk of this thread contains. It's 24 pages long now, and you could probably dilute the posts which discuss the album itself into 4 or 5 pages. Too much head-up-ass-edness, too little substance.

As for some of the comments about the good press reviews the album is gaining, they're pathetic. What kind of a sanctimonious gobshite do you have to be to assume that everyone in the western world who hears the Clash should have taken the time to fully and completely inform themselves of the band's history and bootleg works beforehand?

Get a grip.

Just be thankful The Clash have drifted into the eye of the press again - and in such a positive fashion. Hell, it may even attract new fans.

Seems to me there's a huge irony in The Clash having during their lifetime attracted a largely working class fan-base, yet this, the largest Clash forum online, is infested with a small but very vocal collection of middle-class posers, more interested in engaging in pointlessly jovial one-upmanship and proving their "wit" than discussing the subjects in the thread titles.

[Marky Dread]

I'm sorry to bump a bit of history, but I was just reading this monster tonight and I can't copy and paste. Five years is a long, long time, and I can't be sure, but I think this prick here... Is a seventeen year old Silent Majority.

Not sure what the weird, cryptic shit is, but I like the thrust of your review, although I disagree that a setlist qualifies (even barely) a gig as a landmark.

He's probably referring to the pseudo-intellectual one-liners and "ironic" or "post modern" retorts that the bulk of this thread contains. It's 24 pages long now, and you could probably dilute the posts which discuss the album itself into 4 or 5 pages. Too much head-up-ass-edness, too little substance.

As for some of the comments about the good press reviews the album is gaining, they're pathetic. What kind of a sanctimonious gobshite do you have to be to assume that everyone in the western world who hears the Clash should have taken the time to fully and completely inform themselves of the band's history and bootleg works beforehand?

Get a grip.

Just be thankful The Clash have drifted into the eye of the press again - and in such a positive fashion. Hell, it may even attract new fans.

Seems to me there's a huge irony in The Clash having during their lifetime attracted a largely working class fan-base, yet this, the largest Clash forum online, is infested with a small but very vocal collection of middle-class posers, more interested in engaging in pointlessly jovial one-upmanship and proving their "wit" than discussing the subjects in the thread titles.

Ha I think you were spot and a bit too close to home to be honest mate. But that's what makes IMCT so great. We are the greatest Clash forum in the world.

Are you watching us destroy The Clash legacy, well are you clashy?

[Silent Majority]

Leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth, showing up, lecturing better informed strangers, blinkered thinking, and then literally doing some finger wagging. Hardly graceful behaviour.

Little James back in '08 needs some humility and needs to do some thinking outside of ideas he's being sold. He needs to see the more you know the more you realise how little you understand.

[Marky Dread]

Leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth, showing up, lecturing better informed strangers, blinkered thinking, and then literally doing some finger wagging. Hardly graceful behaviour.

Little James back in '08 needs some humility and needs to do some thinking outside of ideas he's being sold. He needs to see the more you know the more you realise how little you understand.

Sometimes it's not so easy to engage one's brain before opening one's mouth.

I have argued here before that all opinions are valid even if you are in the minority. See just because others think I'm wrong will not stop me from SHOUTING!

Seriously mate you are one of the good guys and graceful behaviour does not belong here...often.

[Wolter]

I, on the other hand, have always been the model of taste and propriety...

[Dr. Medulla]

I, on the other hand, have always been the model of taste and propriety...

Roger Ebert, reviewing Supersize Me: "Of course it is possible to eat responsibly at McDonald's, as spokesmen for the chain never tire of reminding us. Fast food is simply one element of a balanced nutritional plan. Of course it's the unbalanced element."

[Marky Dread]

I, on the other hand, have always been the model of taste and propriety...

How very English of you.

[Marky Dread]

I, on the other hand, have always been the model of taste and propriety...

Roger Ebert, reviewing Supersize Me: "Of course it is possible to eat responsibly at McDonald's, as spokesmen for the chain never tire of reminding us. Fast food is simply one element of a balanced nutritional plan. Of course it's the unbalanced element."

Great quote.

[CorwoodRep]

Leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth, showing up, lecturing better informed strangers, blinkered thinking, and then literally doing some finger wagging. Hardly graceful behaviour.

Little James back in '08 needs some humility and needs to do some thinking outside of ideas he's being sold. He needs to see the more you know the more you realise how little you understand.

I was a little dumbshit back then too. It's okay.

[JennyB]

I think my first post was inquiring if anyone had dreams about the Clash. So, yeah, James's wasn't bad at all in comparison.