Terry on STH

shag · Post by **shag** » 02 Sep 2008, 4:31pm

top's drumming on STH on CR is heavily overdubbed with multiple parts going all at once. it's much more than just a "beat".
terry's live is his approximation of topper's groove. He does pretty well methinks.

btw, didn't they only play this live with topper once? all you collectors prob. know better than me...

matedog · Post by **matedog** » 03 Sep 2008, 1:20am

shag wrote:top's drumming on STH on CR is heavily overdubbed with multiple parts going all at once. it's much more than just a "beat".
terry's live is his approximation of topper's groove. He does pretty well methinks.

btw, didn't they only play this live with topper once? all you collectors prob. know better than me...

Supposedly at Lochem. Given the show, it's probably one of those "listen once" sorts of affairs.

Marky Dread · Post by **Marky Dread** » 03 Sep 2008, 1:24am

Topper should've played that R. Whites Lemonade bottle live.

101Walterton · Post by **101Walterton** » 03 Sep 2008, 1:25am

Marky Dread wrote:Topper should've played that R. Whites Lemonade bottle live.

Nah he was a secret lemonade drinker....

Marky Dread · Post by **Marky Dread** » 03 Sep 2008, 1:52am

101Walterton wrote:
Marky Dread wrote:Topper should've played that R. Whites Lemonade bottle live.
Nah he was a secret lemonade drinker....

If only.

Rat Patrol · Post by **Rat Patrol** » 03 Sep 2008, 8:44am

shag wrote:top's drumming on STH on CR is heavily overdubbed with multiple parts going all at once. it's much more than just a "beat".
terry's live is his approximation of topper's groove. He does pretty well methinks.

btw, didn't they only play this live with topper once? all you collectors prob. know better than me...

No yet-circulating source because the soundboard cuts after the main set, but it was confirmed played in the encore at Lochem. BMC has a new audience tape with more encore songs...it was apparently a fullish typical Clash setlist and not a Festival-truncated set like the 15 tracks on the circulating soundboard. Armagideon and London's Burning were two of the newly surfaced encore songs we haven't heard yet. No idea if this source has STH...apparently there are tape cuts on it so there's risk the whole thing wasn't captured.

Casbah and Car Jamming are the only live CR songs that we know for a fact were only first live-arranged in rehearsals with Terry, never with Topper. Because of Joe's disappearance they had no time to do any rehearsals on the Glyn Johns album mixes or update any live arrangements from the pre-album tours (which is why Know Your Rights still has its '81 and Asian tour drum intro a month after the final single's release).

Jimmy Jazz · Post by **Jimmy Jazz** » 03 Sep 2008, 12:24pm

Rat Patrol wrote:(which is why Know Your Rights still has its '81 and Asian tour drum intro a month after the final single's release).

Is that the same drum intro Topper does in the Lochem show? If so, I always just thought he messed up and started to play Guns Of Brixton again. Never heard any other version with Topper, so I wouldn't know.

Marky Dread · Post by **Marky Dread** » 03 Sep 2008, 12:35pm

Jimmy Jazz wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:(which is why Know Your Rights still has its '81 and Asian tour drum intro a month after the final single's release).
Is that the same drum intro Topper does in the Lochem show? If so, I always just thought he messed up and started to play Guns Of Brixton again. Never heard any other version with Topper, so I wouldn't know.

Hey snap I thought he messed also.

Rat Patrol · Post by **Rat Patrol** » 03 Sep 2008, 1:47pm

Jimmy Jazz wrote:
Rat Patrol wrote:(which is why Know Your Rights still has its '81 and Asian tour drum intro a month after the final single's release).
Is that the same drum intro Topper does in the Lochem show? If so, I always just thought he messed up and started to play Guns Of Brixton again. Never heard any other version with Topper, so I wouldn't know.

It's the KYR intro. It sounded different almost every night because they did so much tinkering with the song throughout Fall '81 and when it was played on the Asian tour (most nights with the intro, but sometimes without). Lochem was definitely another stab at the intro from the pre-existing live arrangement. Some nights sounded more like GoB than others. Lochem might've had an absent-minded intro, but I doubt Topper forgot the song. It was Joe who was so rusty he couldn't fucking remember the setlist.

Listen to Shibuya Kohkaido. It's *THUMP...THU-THUMP...THU-THUMP..THU-THUMP-THUMP* a couple times before the guitar riff kicks in during the beat.

corpulent body · Post by **corpulent body** » 04 Sep 2008, 8:48am

101Walterton wrote: Nah he was a secret lemonade drinker....

No, that was Elvis Costello's dad

Marky Dread · Post by **Marky Dread** » 05 Sep 2008, 12:39am

corpulent body wrote:
101Walterton wrote: Nah he was a secret lemonade drinker....

No, that was Elvis Costello's dad

You R avin' me on.

corpulent body · Post by **corpulent body** » 05 Sep 2008, 8:38am

The adverts featured the actor Royce Mills, dubbed with the voice of Ross MacManus (father of Elvis Costello). MacManus wrote the song, with his son providing the backing vocals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._White's_Lemonade

matedog · Post by **matedog** » 05 Sep 2008, 10:02am

corpulent body wrote:The adverts featured the actor Royce Mills, dubbed with the voice of Ross MacManus (father of Elvis Costello). MacManus wrote the song, with his son providing the backing vocals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._White's_Lemonade

The only reason why I'm skeptical about that story is that they recorded it in NYC. They don't have this R White's fella available here do they?

mikentosh · Post by **mikentosh** » 08 Sep 2008, 12:43am

matedog wrote:
Inder wrote:I think FHTE was the first time I actually listened listened to the song, so I've always assumed for some reason that's the "right" way.

Terry might've dumbed down some things (Armathumpthumpthump Time), but I think this was a bit more considered. Also, it sounds fucking splendid.
Yeah, I was well versed in the album version before FHTE so my initial reaction to Terry's beat was "What the fuck is this shit?" It took me a good while to get over it and fall in love with that version. The beat itself isn't bad in context, I'm just having a hard time because it really is a dumbed down version of a really really good beat.

Well played (1:20, excuse the ubiquitous goofy Pete grimace)
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I saw that show and Pete Howard was Great! Drums Loud and Tight!...Thumped your chest and Snapped your brain!
-Mike

Marky Dread · Post by **Marky Dread** » 08 Sep 2008, 9:28pm

matedog wrote:
corpulent body wrote:The adverts featured the actor Royce Mills, dubbed with the voice of Ross MacManus (father of Elvis Costello). MacManus wrote the song, with his son providing the backing vocals.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._White's_Lemonade
The only reason why I'm skeptical about that story is that they recorded it in NYC. They don't have this R White's fella available here do they?

I've been trying to give it up but it's one of those nights.

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