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Re: London SS

Post by white man » 12 Feb 2019, 12:44pm

Flex wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 11:24am
white man wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 9:55am
Him and Idol have been putting a Gen X package together for new year release.
London SS tapes aside, this is great news (which may not be news to others, but certainly the first I'm hearing of it).
https://www.lostinvinyl.org/preorder-re ... tqTqlstWwY

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm

white man wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 12:44pm
Flex wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 11:24am
white man wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 9:55am
Him and Idol have been putting a Gen X package together for new year release.
London SS tapes aside, this is great news (which may not be news to others, but certainly the first I'm hearing of it).
https://www.lostinvinyl.org/preorder-re ... tqTqlstWwY
Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
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Re: London SS

Post by 101Walterton » 12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm

Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm
white man wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 12:44pm
Flex wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 11:24am
white man wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 9:55am
Him and Idol have been putting a Gen X package together for new year release.
London SS tapes aside, this is great news (which may not be news to others, but certainly the first I'm hearing of it).
https://www.lostinvinyl.org/preorder-re ... tqTqlstWwY
Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm

101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm
white man wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 12:44pm
Flex wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 11:24am
white man wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 9:55am
Him and Idol have been putting a Gen X package together for new year release.
London SS tapes aside, this is great news (which may not be news to others, but certainly the first I'm hearing of it).
https://www.lostinvinyl.org/preorder-re ... tqTqlstWwY
Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?
No just Generation X stuff.
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Re: London SS

Post by 101Walterton » 12 Feb 2019, 8:00pm

Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm
white man wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 12:44pm
Flex wrote:
06 Dec 2018, 11:24am


London SS tapes aside, this is great news (which may not be news to others, but certainly the first I'm hearing of it).
https://www.lostinvinyl.org/preorder-re ... tqTqlstWwY
Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?
No just Generation X stuff.
So the SS tracks mentioned earlier ever materialised?

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 12 Feb 2019, 9:35pm

101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 8:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm
Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?
No just Generation X stuff.
So the SS tracks mentioned earlier ever materialised?
It's my understanding they have been remastered with the Generation X material. However there was never any intention of releasing them with Generation X material. Why would they as they simply don't belong together.
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Re: London SS

Post by 101Walterton » 12 Feb 2019, 9:54pm

Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 9:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 8:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 1:32pm


Hopefully it'll get a cd release also. Looking forward to hearing the demos and alt versions.
I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?
No just Generation X stuff.
So the SS tracks mentioned earlier ever materialised?
It's my understanding they have been remastered with the Generation X material. However there was never any intention of releasing them with Generation X material. Why would they as they simply don't belong together.
Because I got about 3 threads and Tony J interview confused :huh:

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 12 Feb 2019, 10:00pm

101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 9:54pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 9:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 8:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 3:15pm


I don’t know Gen X catalogue well enough, could some of these demos be pre Gen X with Mick?
No just Generation X stuff.
So the SS tracks mentioned earlier ever materialised?
It's my understanding they have been remastered with the Generation X material. However there was never any intention of releasing them with Generation X material. Why would they as they simply don't belong together.
Because I got about 3 threads and Tony J interview confused :huh:
No worries. I would guess if they ever saw the light it would be as a stand alone release. I mean where do those tracks really belong The Clash? Generation X? The Damned? The Boys? Who is on them other than Tony and Mick. I guess as Mick has the rights to them ( I believe) if they ever got released (which I seriously doubt) they could be on a Mick Jones box set. Something I would seriously love to see.
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Re: London SS

Post by Kory » 13 Feb 2019, 5:24pm

Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 10:00pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 9:54pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 9:35pm
101Walterton wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 8:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
12 Feb 2019, 5:17pm


No just Generation X stuff.
So the SS tracks mentioned earlier ever materialised?
It's my understanding they have been remastered with the Generation X material. However there was never any intention of releasing them with Generation X material. Why would they as they simply don't belong together.
Because I got about 3 threads and Tony J interview confused :huh:
No worries. I would guess if they ever saw the light it would be as a stand alone release. I mean where do those tracks really belong The Clash? Generation X? The Damned? The Boys? Who is on them other than Tony and Mick. I guess as Mick has the rights to them ( I believe) if they ever got released (which I seriously doubt) they could be on a Mick Jones box set. Something I would seriously love to see.
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Re: London SS

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A sidetrack, but Mick told me the other day that Guy Stevens designed a promo visual for Violent Luck (a name he of course came up with) using the photo of James Dean getting all drenched by the spurting new oil well he dug in Giant. Violent Luck.

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 13 Feb 2019, 6:34pm

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A sidetrack, but Mick told me the other day that Guy Stevens designed a promo visual for Violent Luck (a name he of course came up with) using the photo of James Dean getting all drenched by the spurting new oil well he dug in Giant. Violent Luck.
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Re: London SS

Post by Flex » 13 Feb 2019, 7:47pm

more and more, those london ss tapes are turning out to be one of the last great missing pieces of early punk rock history. i mean (and this is a genuine question, i don't do a very good job keeping this stuff straight in my head), what else is left of similar historical importance in terms of 70s punk?
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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 13 Feb 2019, 7:59pm

Flex wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 7:47pm
more and more, those london ss tapes are turning out to be one of the last great missing pieces of early punk rock history. i mean (and this is a genuine question, i don't do a very good job keeping this stuff straight in my head), what else is left of similar historical importance in terms of 70s punk?
Not very much really left that's not been bootlegged or officially released over the years. One interesting artifact maybe whether the backing tracks that The Clash laid down in Maida Vale for the John Peel session still exist. John Waters said they definitely laid down a couple of backing tracks before walking out of the session.
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Re: London SS

Post by matedog » 13 Feb 2019, 9:00pm

Marky Dread wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 7:59pm
Flex wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 7:47pm
more and more, those london ss tapes are turning out to be one of the last great missing pieces of early punk rock history. i mean (and this is a genuine question, i don't do a very good job keeping this stuff straight in my head), what else is left of similar historical importance in terms of 70s punk?
Not very much really left that's not been bootlegged or officially released over the years. One interesting artifact maybe whether the backing tracks that The Clash laid down in Maida Vale for the John Peel session still exist. John Waters said they definitely laid down a couple of backing tracks before walking out of the session.
Eh? What/when?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: London SS

Post by Marky Dread » 13 Feb 2019, 10:19pm

matedog wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 9:00pm
Marky Dread wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 7:59pm
Flex wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 7:47pm
more and more, those london ss tapes are turning out to be one of the last great missing pieces of early punk rock history. i mean (and this is a genuine question, i don't do a very good job keeping this stuff straight in my head), what else is left of similar historical importance in terms of 70s punk?
Not very much really left that's not been bootlegged or officially released over the years. One interesting artifact maybe whether the backing tracks that The Clash laid down in Maida Vale for the John Peel session still exist. John Waters said they definitely laid down a couple of backing tracks before walking out of the session.
Eh? What/when?
Peel and Waters have both claimed the band laid down something before they walked out. The engineer is not so sure and the band don't seem to know too much either.

One attempt, scheduled for 24 April 1978, was abandoned. Peel noted in his diary the circumstances surrounding this: "They actually got as far as recording the backing tracks, but then they were so out of their heads they couldn't finish it, and decided the BBC's equipment wasn't good enough. It was one of those things where you thought: How do you argue with stupidity on this level? Not a very punk attitude, I thought.

However, Ken Garner's The Peel Sessions contains an anecdote by Bill Aitken, the engineer on that date, which casts doubt on Peel's recollection. Aitken suggests that, when he inquired after Topper Headon's dog, the rest of the band made fun of Headon because of this. The session then became increasingly negative and was finally cancelled by the group.

In an interview for BBC6Music broadcast in October 2013 the three remaining members of The Clash - Mick Jones, Paul Simonon and Topper Headon recalled the session:

"It didn't work, so we just walked out and left it, it didn't sound any good," says Topper. "It was us, I'm sure," says Mick, magnanimously. "Speak for yourself," retorts Topper. "John Peel never forgave us.
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