ULTIMATE BAD SURVIVAL POLL part 6
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ULTIMATE BAD SURVIVAL POLL part 6
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The remaining choices fit neatly as to where one's preferences sit. "Medicine Show" is the big, playful, sample-rich kitchen-sink BAD song; "V13" is archetypal Mick pop; and "Beyond the Pale" is the last great socially conscious Strummer/Jones collaboration that is more timely than when it was written.
My preferences go BtP, MS, then V13, so I'm voting out V13.
My preferences go BtP, MS, then V13, so I'm voting out V13.
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Let's not forget V13 is also Strummer/ Jones. The lyrics are very Joe and very different in style to anything on the first album.
Update: writing credits also include Letts, Roberts and Donovan, according to Discogs.
Update: writing credits also include Letts, Roberts and Donovan, according to Discogs.
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Same thinking, same vote for v13. Very nice pop, but very nice pop has never been enough for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 6:26amThe remaining choices fit neatly as to where one's preferences sit. "Medicine Show" is the big, playful, sample-rich kitchen-sink BAD song; "V13" is archetypal Mick pop; and "Beyond the Pale" is the last great socially conscious Strummer/Jones collaboration that is more timely than when it was written.
My preferences go BtP, MS, then V13, so I'm voting out V13.
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Early results suggest we're the last of the pro-hectoring faction.Flex wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 8:55amSame thinking, same vote for v13. Very nice pop, but very nice pop has never been enough for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 6:26amThe remaining choices fit neatly as to where one's preferences sit. "Medicine Show" is the big, playful, sample-rich kitchen-sink BAD song; "V13" is archetypal Mick pop; and "Beyond the Pale" is the last great socially conscious Strummer/Jones collaboration that is more timely than when it was written.
My preferences go BtP, MS, then V13, so I'm voting out V13.
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BAD was never tuneless enough for my taste, tbqhDr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 9:28amEarly results suggest we're the last of the pro-hectoring faction.
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Common sense has prevailed. V13 is just too great melodically.
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For someone who argued ardently for "Something About England," it's a curious about-face to now reject "Beyond the Pale."
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Update update: Just got home and vinyl says Strummer and Jones for V13.
In the interview for the Isle of Noises book, Mick says he already had Beyond the Pale and Joe simply 'finessed' it.
This makes sense as it was, I think, the first Upping St song to hit the live sets; and, listening back, it does initially have slightly different lyrics.
In the interview for the Isle of Noises book, Mick says he already had Beyond the Pale and Joe simply 'finessed' it.
This makes sense as it was, I think, the first Upping St song to hit the live sets; and, listening back, it does initially have slightly different lyrics.
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I love the lyrics in BtP, it just fails in its execution for me. The tune is good but a bit static and the chorus just reuses the verse melody. The production is clunky whereas V13 is executed quite well in both its versions.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 10:46amFor someone who argued ardently for "Something About England," it's a curious about-face to now reject "Beyond the Pale."
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My point, tho, is that "Something About England" ain't exactly a glorious pop tune; its support was almost entirely because of its lyrics. BtP is much superior in terms of lyrics and music. I'm not dismissing your support for V13 one iota—all three are super solid options to win—but you seem to just shuffle BtP to the side so easily. Which, to me, is odd given your stance before. Unless you're a dirty Brexiter who hates immigrants.Heston wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:55pmI love the lyrics in BtP, it just fails in its execution for me. The tune is good but a bit static and the chorus just reuses the verse melody. The production is clunky whereas V13 is executed quite well in both its versions.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 10:46amFor someone who argued ardently for "Something About England," it's a curious about-face to now reject "Beyond the Pale."
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I disagree with your comment about BtP being musically and lyrically better than SAE. The latter may not be a glorious pop tune but I find it musically satisfying.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 2:13pmMy point, tho, is that "Something About England" ain't exactly a glorious pop tune; its support was almost entirely because of its lyrics. BtP is much superior in terms of lyrics and music. I'm not dismissing your support for V13 one iota—all three are super solid options to win—but you seem to just shuffle BtP to the side so easily. Which, to me, is odd given your stance before. Unless you're a dirty Brexiter who hates immigrants.Heston wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:55pmI love the lyrics in BtP, it just fails in its execution for me. The tune is good but a bit static and the chorus just reuses the verse melody. The production is clunky whereas V13 is executed quite well in both its versions.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 10:46amFor someone who argued ardently for "Something About England," it's a curious about-face to now reject "Beyond the Pale."
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Different strokes and all that, but SAE's chief virtue musically is its evidence of the band's willingness to explore different styles. The result itself is largely a shrug. No need to rehash my criticism of SAE's lyrics, but BtP succeeds in terms of advocacy and awareness in ways that SAE doesn't. And, admittedly, it does ring as more significant given the political climate in Europe and North America.Heston wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 2:16pmI disagree with your comment about BtP being musically and lyrically better than SAE. The latter may not be a glorious pop tune but I find it musically satisfying.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 2:13pmMy point, tho, is that "Something About England" ain't exactly a glorious pop tune; its support was almost entirely because of its lyrics. BtP is much superior in terms of lyrics and music. I'm not dismissing your support for V13 one iota—all three are super solid options to win—but you seem to just shuffle BtP to the side so easily. Which, to me, is odd given your stance before. Unless you're a dirty Brexiter who hates immigrants.Heston wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 12:55pmI love the lyrics in BtP, it just fails in its execution for me. The tune is good but a bit static and the chorus just reuses the verse melody. The production is clunky whereas V13 is executed quite well in both its versions.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 10:46amFor someone who argued ardently for "Something About England," it's a curious about-face to now reject "Beyond the Pale."
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Why even bother talking about what is wrong with any of these songs? guess that was my problem with this whole concept.
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Why bother commenting then? Are you this much hard work in real life or is it an online thing?MarkyJacobs wrote: ↑07 Jun 2019, 5:36pmWhy even bother talking about what is wrong with any of these songs? guess that was my problem with this whole concept.
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