Kool Aid question

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Kool Aid question

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I can't find much info on why Kool Aid was reworked into The Globe for US release? Is this a Rat Patrol type thing where the label wanted changes? Or was Mick unhappy with the initial LP?

Kool Aid, IMHO, is the better album. Love the murkier, more nocturnal mixes. In My Dreams and the title track sound so much better. Kickin' In and On One are great, better than the song the Globe (which, to me, has not aged well). I do miss Green Grass, and the live version of Can't Wait is pretty great. But I like the weirdness of Kool Aid. And that album cover...so damn cool and campy.

If I'm listening to one acid house/rock record from the early '90s, I probably pick Kool Aid over Screamadelica...maybe.

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KCportland wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 2:22pm
I can't find much info on why Kool Aid was reworked into The Globe for US release? Is this a Rat Patrol type thing where the label wanted changes? Or was Mick unhappy with the initial LP?

Kool Aid, IMHO, is the better album. Love the murkier, more nocturnal mixes. In My Dreams and the title track sound so much better. Kickin' In and On One are great, better than the song the Globe (which, to me, has not aged well). I do miss Green Grass, and the live version of Can't Wait is pretty great. But I like the weirdness of Kool Aid. And that album cover...so damn cool and campy.

If I'm listening to one acid house/rock record from the early '90s, I probably pick Kool Aid over Screamadelica...maybe.
It was reworked for the UK too, and all other territories I assume. I think this was a deliberate ploy by the band rather than record company interference.
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Wasn't the Kool Aid vinyl version a limited edition as well ? I kind of remember the urgency i had to buy mine before they sold out
I get the feeling it was a fill in album so they wasnt away from the public eyes for too long since the last band break up.

The album is great

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I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
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Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 2:29pm
KCportland wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 2:22pm
I can't find much info on why Kool Aid was reworked into The Globe for US release? Is this a Rat Patrol type thing where the label wanted changes? Or was Mick unhappy with the initial LP?

Kool Aid, IMHO, is the better album. Love the murkier, more nocturnal mixes. In My Dreams and the title track sound so much better. Kickin' In and On One are great, better than the song the Globe (which, to me, has not aged well). I do miss Green Grass, and the live version of Can't Wait is pretty great. But I like the weirdness of Kool Aid. And that album cover...so damn cool and campy.

If I'm listening to one acid house/rock record from the early '90s, I probably pick Kool Aid over Screamadelica...maybe.
It was reworked for the UK too, and all other territories I assume. I think this was a deliberate ploy by the band rather than record company interference.
There must have been pretty big record company support, because I'm sure I bought Kool-Aid straight away for a sticker which helped me get the Ally Pally Paradiso album posted out. Might have been a tie-in with the NME?

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NoMoreHugh wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 5:21pm
Wasn't the Kool Aid vinyl version a limited edition as well ? I kind of remember the urgency i had to buy mine before they sold out
I get the feeling it was a fill in album so they wasnt away from the public eyes for too long since the last band break up.

The album is great
Yes, this is basically it in a nutshell.

As for the song The Globe, it was a number one single in Australia, and did very well in the States. Remember, it’s about a club of the same name in the Portobello Road. The final album may have been less conceptually of a piece than Kool Aid, but it was quote probably more successful than a full release of the original would have been.

Kickin’ In was probably left off as it’s a remake of Free and it was a worry it would be a legal issue with the movie studio. As it turns out, it likely would not have been a problem because we got it cleared including the voice samples quite easily for Planet BAD. Or maybe it was felt that since Dan left in the interim, a co-write of his wouldn’t fit the bill for a record by the new group.

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Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 7:22pm
I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
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Marky Dread wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:15pm
Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 7:22pm
I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
I was thinking Matt Dillon.
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Mike Ditka?
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Heston wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:31pm
Marky Dread wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:15pm
Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 7:22pm
I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
I was thinking Matt Dillon.
Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
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Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 2:58am
Heston wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:31pm
Marky Dread wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:15pm
Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 7:22pm
I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
I was thinking Matt Dillon.
Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
I think he had a ranch in the old west that he used to look after.
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Silent Majority wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 2:58am
Heston wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:31pm
Marky Dread wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:15pm
Heston wrote:
20 Jul 2020, 7:22pm
I'm not the biggest BAD II fan but I prefer Kool Aid. It can be a pleasurable album in the right mood. But The Globe had some great bits as well. It would be interesting to hear what someone ( maybe with the initials MD) could put together from the two albums, as in editing the best bits of each album into one.
Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
I was thinking Matt Dillon.
Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
I think he had a ranch in the old west that he used to look after.
I don't think he made it out of Wayward Pines.
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Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:18pm
Silent Majority wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 2:58am
Heston wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:31pm
Marky Dread wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:15pm


Yes I agree let's get Mickey Dolenz to remix it. ;)
I was thinking Matt Dillon.
Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
I think he had a ranch in the old west that he used to look after.
I don't think he made it out of Wayward Pines.
Is the second series any good? I have only seen the first one.

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laxman wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:18pm
Silent Majority wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 2:58am
Heston wrote:
09 Aug 2020, 5:31pm


I was thinking Matt Dillon.
Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
I think he had a ranch in the old west that he used to look after.
I don't think he made it out of Wayward Pines.
Is the second series any good? I have only seen the first one.
Both really good. Shame it stopped though.
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Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:26pm
laxman wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 1:18pm
Silent Majority wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 12:24pm
Marky Dread wrote:
10 Aug 2020, 2:58am


Does he have any credentials other than dialing the wrong hit man?
I think he had a ranch in the old west that he used to look after.
I don't think he made it out of Wayward Pines.
Is the second series any good? I have only seen the first one.
Both really good. Shame it stopped though.
Thanks, I'll try to watch it in that case.

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