Carbon/Silicon : Come One Come All

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Thanks so much for this Marky!! C/S is a bit hit or miss for me but one thing that I liked about them was that Mick seemed to be having fun riffing on the guitar and it was a time of a lot of output and experimentation with the new outlets/methods for releasing music. Also, I’m not sure without C/S we get the BAD reunion, which for selfish reasons was really special for me. I saw them twice & they were cool both times, sometimes you just need a good old fashioned rock n roll show. I remember hearing Weapons of Angel Delight and thinking it wouldn’t have been out of place on Rat Patrol. Super Paradise Beach, Be Good To Yourself, Really the Blues, National Anthem, and WDMF were a few early standouts and the Carbon Casino gigs provided some memorable moments. I think they’ll kinda mostly be an afterthought but there is a lot of solid material to make for a really enjoyable listen, especially when compiled and spruced up like this.

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25 Sep 2023, 8:28pm
Thanks so much for this Marky!! C/S is a bit hit or miss for me but one thing that I liked about them was that Mick seemed to be having fun riffing on the guitar and it was a time of a lot of output and experimentation with the new outlets/methods for releasing music. Also, I’m not sure without C/S we get the BAD reunion, which for selfish reasons was really special for me. I saw them twice & they were cool both times, sometimes you just need a good old fashioned rock n roll show. I remember hearing Weapons of Angel Delight and thinking it wouldn’t have been out of place on Rat Patrol. Super Paradise Beach, Be Good To Yourself, Really the Blues, National Anthem, and WDMF were a few early standouts and the Carbon Casino gigs provided some memorable moments. I think they’ll kinda mostly be an afterthought but there is a lot of solid material to make for a really enjoyable listen, especially when compiled and spruced up like this.
I'm thinking the forthcoming 15 disc box set I'm working on will prove to be too much for people.🤣

But then you can play each disc separately. 😉
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Marky Dread wrote:
26 Sep 2023, 5:22am
sonnyburnit wrote:
25 Sep 2023, 8:28pm
Thanks so much for this Marky!! C/S is a bit hit or miss for me but one thing that I liked about them was that Mick seemed to be having fun riffing on the guitar and it was a time of a lot of output and experimentation with the new outlets/methods for releasing music. Also, I’m not sure without C/S we get the BAD reunion, which for selfish reasons was really special for me. I saw them twice & they were cool both times, sometimes you just need a good old fashioned rock n roll show. I remember hearing Weapons of Angel Delight and thinking it wouldn’t have been out of place on Rat Patrol. Super Paradise Beach, Be Good To Yourself, Really the Blues, National Anthem, and WDMF were a few early standouts and the Carbon Casino gigs provided some memorable moments. I think they’ll kinda mostly be an afterthought but there is a lot of solid material to make for a really enjoyable listen, especially when compiled and spruced up like this.
I'm thinking the forthcoming 15 disc box set I'm working on will prove to be too much for people.🤣

But then you can play each disc separately. 😉
This compilation is great, love the edits! I also kind of forgot how interesting this project was. I like the weird experimental songs the best, the straight ahead type songs like "What the Fuck" and "Caeser's Palace" would have been some much better with a real drummer. My theory on those rock type songs released by C/S is that they were demos for that new Clash project he was kicking around with Joe. I have no evidence for that but 'WTF" does have the "CCR"/"Can't Explain" riff they used so often in the early days.

I look forward to this set! I remember some of the early EPs were not made available for download, did those tracks ever turn up?

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Equaliser wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:28am
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Sep 2023, 5:22am
sonnyburnit wrote:
25 Sep 2023, 8:28pm
Thanks so much for this Marky!! C/S is a bit hit or miss for me but one thing that I liked about them was that Mick seemed to be having fun riffing on the guitar and it was a time of a lot of output and experimentation with the new outlets/methods for releasing music. Also, I’m not sure without C/S we get the BAD reunion, which for selfish reasons was really special for me. I saw them twice & they were cool both times, sometimes you just need a good old fashioned rock n roll show. I remember hearing Weapons of Angel Delight and thinking it wouldn’t have been out of place on Rat Patrol. Super Paradise Beach, Be Good To Yourself, Really the Blues, National Anthem, and WDMF were a few early standouts and the Carbon Casino gigs provided some memorable moments. I think they’ll kinda mostly be an afterthought but there is a lot of solid material to make for a really enjoyable listen, especially when compiled and spruced up like this.
I'm thinking the forthcoming 15 disc box set I'm working on will prove to be too much for people.🤣

But then you can play each disc separately. 😉
This compilation is great, love the edits! I also kind of forgot how interesting this project was. I like the weird experimental songs the best, the straight ahead type songs like "What the Fuck" and "Caeser's Palace" would have been some much better with a real drummer. My theory on those rock type songs released by C/S is that they were demos for that new Clash project he was kicking around with Joe. I have no evidence for that but 'WTF" does have the "CCR"/"Can't Explain" riff they used so often in the early days.

I look forward to this set! I remember some of the early EPs were not made available for download, did those tracks ever turn up?
I have them all. In the remastering process.

I doubt those tracks are the stuff Mick had worked on for the alleged Clash record. Mick uses the Remote Control riff on "Buckethead" from The Crack-up Suite and can't see him re-using those riffs for a new Clash venture.
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I've been giving the compilation a really good listen today.
Some of the lyrics like Disunited Kingdom are so relevant still.

Also Be Good To Yourself is a tune you should listen to if you ever feel low.

Did Mick and Tony share the lyrics duties?

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28 Sep 2023, 1:08pm
I've been giving the compilation a really good listen today.
Some of the lyrics like Disunited Kingdom are so relevant still.

Also Be Good To Yourself is a tune you should listen to if you ever feel low.

Did Mick and Tony share the lyrics duties?
I don't know to be honest. Some really great lyrics though. I'm listening to Ignore Alien Orders as I type this. So much lyrical humour and serious issues side by side.

I'm sure TeddyB will know how much input there was from Tony if any.
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Marky Dread wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:46am
Equaliser wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:28am
Marky Dread wrote:
26 Sep 2023, 5:22am
sonnyburnit wrote:
25 Sep 2023, 8:28pm
Thanks so much for this Marky!! C/S is a bit hit or miss for me but one thing that I liked about them was that Mick seemed to be having fun riffing on the guitar and it was a time of a lot of output and experimentation with the new outlets/methods for releasing music. Also, I’m not sure without C/S we get the BAD reunion, which for selfish reasons was really special for me. I saw them twice & they were cool both times, sometimes you just need a good old fashioned rock n roll show. I remember hearing Weapons of Angel Delight and thinking it wouldn’t have been out of place on Rat Patrol. Super Paradise Beach, Be Good To Yourself, Really the Blues, National Anthem, and WDMF were a few early standouts and the Carbon Casino gigs provided some memorable moments. I think they’ll kinda mostly be an afterthought but there is a lot of solid material to make for a really enjoyable listen, especially when compiled and spruced up like this.
I'm thinking the forthcoming 15 disc box set I'm working on will prove to be too much for people.🤣

But then you can play each disc separately. 😉
This compilation is great, love the edits! I also kind of forgot how interesting this project was. I like the weird experimental songs the best, the straight ahead type songs like "What the Fuck" and "Caeser's Palace" would have been some much better with a real drummer. My theory on those rock type songs released by C/S is that they were demos for that new Clash project he was kicking around with Joe. I have no evidence for that but 'WTF" does have the "CCR"/"Can't Explain" riff they used so often in the early days.

I look forward to this set! I remember some of the early EPs were not made available for download, did those tracks ever turn up?
I have them all. In the remastering process.

I doubt those tracks are the stuff Mick had worked on for the alleged Clash record. Mick uses the Remote Control riff on "Buckethead" from The Crack-up Suite and can't see him re-using those riffs for a new Clash venture.
This is exciting as there were a handful of uncirculated early songs that were never re-recorded (to my sometimes faulty memory). As always I admire and enjoy your generous work.

Regarding the possible Joe & Mick reunion project. It breaks my heart the same way the Specials were all set to record another album when Terry Hall was taken ill and passed. I kind of don't want to know how serious the Clash reunion project was.

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Tony and Mick shared the lyric writing. They batted around song ideas and traded words geared toward Mick singing them. Remember Tony wrote nearly all the lyrics for Generation X. Oh, and absolutely no CSi lyrics or music emanated from Joe and Mick’s work toward a theoretical Clash project.

Since Terry Hall was mentioned, Don’s new album is released tomorrow at least to streaming and Terry features on a song called The Universe Knows What You’ve Done. His voice is unmistakable on it.

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TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:19pm
Tony and Mick shared the lyric writing. They batted around song ideas and traded words geared toward Mick singing them. Remember Tony wrote nearly all the lyrics for Generation X. Oh, and absolutely no CSi lyrics or music emanated from Joe and Mick’s work toward a theoretical Clash project.

Since Terry Hall was mentioned, Don’s new album is released tomorrow at least to streaming and Terry features on a song called The Universe Knows What You’ve Done. His voice is unmistakable on it.
Thanks for the info Teddy. My copy of Don's cd arrived earlier. For some reason I received 2 signed copies. Looks like the vinyl and signed artwork has been scrapped for now I think.
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TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:19pm
Tony and Mick shared the lyric writing. They batted around song ideas and traded words geared toward Mick singing them. Remember Tony wrote nearly all the lyrics for Generation X. Oh, and absolutely no CSi lyrics or music emanated from Joe and Mick’s work toward a theoretical Clash project.

Since Terry Hall was mentioned, Don’s new album is released tomorrow at least to streaming and Terry features on a song called The Universe Knows What You’ve Done. His voice is unmistakable on it.
Thanks for the info Teddyb! I am listening to the new Don Letts album now and that track lists John Cusack as a guest and I don't hear Terry Hall on it? There was a story circulating that Terry Hall was removed from the album, I think he was on a few tracks originally.

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TeddyB Not Logged In wrote:
28 Sep 2023, 7:19pm
Tony and Mick shared the lyric writing. They batted around song ideas and traded words geared toward Mick singing them. Remember Tony wrote nearly all the lyrics for Generation X. Oh, and absolutely no CSi lyrics or music emanated from Joe and Mick’s work toward a theoretical Clash project.

Since Terry Hall was mentioned, Don’s new album is released tomorrow at least to streaming and Terry features on a song called The Universe Knows What You’ve Done. His voice is unmistakable on it.
Here is what I am seeing on this Terry Hall appearing on the Don Letts album issue...

Here is the track listing from Bandcamp:

1. Outta Sync 04:31
2.Something Coming Off (ft. Hollie Cook)
3.The Universe Knows What You've Done (ft. Terry Hall)
4.Crooked Face
5.Yes
6.Situationist (ft. Zoe Devlin Love)
7.The Doorman (ft. Terry Hall)
8.No Fooling Me (ft. Hollie Cook)
9.Wrong
10.Civilization (ft. Honor Letts)
11.Present Dilemmas (ft. Wayne Coyne)

The digital edition has added a 12th track "Touch" as track 4 and all the others are bumped up one and all references to Terry Hall removed (John Cusack listed now on "The Universe") and I don't hear him on either "The Universe" or "The Doorman" (this track has a killer 2tone vibe to it so would have been nice).

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