Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pmYes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:01pmTiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 9:12amExcellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.
For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
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Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pmExactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pmYes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:01pmTiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 9:12amExcellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.
For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
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Until they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pmAh yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pmExactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pmYes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:01pmTiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 9:12amExcellent post 101. Agree on nearly everything there. I think a lot of the football media have a vested interest in making the game seem more complex and sophisticated than it is and can’t blame them in one way as writing the same article over and over about Jose Mourinho must get deadly tiresome after a while.
For me the last significant tactical innovation was tiki taka which some loved and others found boring. As for klopps “gegenpressing” that’s been in football for decades. In his own way Jack Charlton did it with ireland in the 1980s and it was regarded as a caveman approach at the time.
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I'll never get bored of watching this.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:11amUntil they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pmAh yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pmExactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pmYes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:01pm
Tiki Taka is just a variant of Ajax’s ‘total football’ that Cruyff took to Barcelona. Guardiola just expanded on it to make the most of the technically gifted players he had that weren’t physically imposing (Xavi and Iniesta) but keep possession.
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Let's not forget the great 2-1 win against Arsenal in the semis.Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:28amI'll never get bored of watching this.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:11amUntil they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pmAh yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pmExactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
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Me neither!Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:28amI'll never get bored of watching this.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:11amUntil they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pmAh yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pmExactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 3:59pm
Yes that’s certainly true. I’d still say it was innovative on lots of levels though and if you were being pedantic about it you’d say total football was a variant of styles that had preceded it too. The burnley team of the 60s was supposedly a forerunner of Ajax 70s team but I can’t personally vouch for the veracity of that!
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That game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:37amMe neither!Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:28amI'll never get bored of watching this.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:11amUntil they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pmAh yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.101Walterton wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:19pm
Exactly, watch Leeds in early 70’s. Kill you to get the ball then not give it back. They are all just ways of playing to get the most out of the players you have not reinventing the wheel.
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Couldn't agree more.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:03amThat game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:37amMe neither!Marky Dread wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:28amI'll never get bored of watching this.Heston wrote: ↑21 Feb 2019, 10:11amUntil they met the mighty Sunderland in 1973.Low Down Low wrote: ↑19 Feb 2019, 5:38pm
Ah yes, fond memories. Mighty/dirty (delete as appropriate) Leeds of the 70s and their 5000 passes against the poor hapless saints. Total underachievers but a great team nonetheless.
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Yep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??Heston wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:31amCouldn't agree more.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:03amThat game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
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Yeah the build up began early morning and it seemed the whole day revolved around the cup final. First i really recall vividly is 79, not even sure it was a great match but epic finish. Liam Brady was a football genius!101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 6:09amYep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??Heston wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:31amCouldn't agree more.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:03amThat game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
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Saints preserve us! We were just waiting for the ultimate F.A. Cup final. In 1977 Wally & Marky went to heaven.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 6:09amYep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??Heston wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:31amCouldn't agree more.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:03amThat game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
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1977 is the first final I can remember but the 1979 final was the one that really stuck in my mind as a kid. Alan Sunderland's goal was replayed by me for 3 hours afterwards kicking a ball against the wall outside my house. The 81 final replay was another memorable one. Ricky Villa!
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Oh the heartache worse than a Bonnie Tyler record! I should've known something was a miss with a guy playing for Arsenal called "Sunderland".Heston wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 7:15am1977 is the first final I can remember but the 1979 final was the one that really stuck in my mind as a kid. Alan Sunderland's goal was replayed by me for 3 hours afterwards kicking a ball against the wall outside my house. The 81 final replay was another memorable one. Ricky Villa!
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Yep 1977 was very special after what happened the year before and of course against the all conquering Liverpool team.Marky Dread wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 6:58amSaints preserve us! We were just waiting for the ultimate F.A. Cup final. In 1977 Wally & Marky went to heaven.101Walterton wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 6:09amYep cup final day was a very special day. I may be wrong but I remember all day leading up to kick off was about the final, Saturday morning TV, It’s A Knockout, football quizzes??Heston wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:31amCouldn't agree more.Low Down Low wrote: ↑22 Feb 2019, 5:03amThat game was a little before my time but it’s hard to explain to kids now just how special the fa cup was back then. Along with the grand national they were probably the two biggest sporting days of the year for me. They churn out these cliches nowadays about the romance of the cup but they’re pretty meaningless far as I’m concerned. The year United sat it out was just about the last blow for a once mighty institution imo.
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1979 was a roller coaster. That brilliant Sammy McIlroy goal is forgotten in history because of what happened at the end.
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I thought United was a circus before Mourihno was sacked but Chelsea WTF!!!
They can hide behind misunderstanding all they want but it is not fooling anyone. I believe Kapa thought it was an injury sub but Sarri wanted to make tactical change to bring on better penalty keeper. What was the captain doing, what was the experienced players like Luis doing why did no one listen to or even talk to their coach?
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They can hide behind misunderstanding all they want but it is not fooling anyone. I believe Kapa thought it was an injury sub but Sarri wanted to make tactical change to bring on better penalty keeper. What was the captain doing, what was the experienced players like Luis doing why did no one listen to or even talk to their coach?
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