Not for the first time this week.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:09pmHeston is the winner.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:08pmFor me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."101Walterton wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:03pmI always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
Bored With The USA lyrics correction
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
City of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 8:48pmWell some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.Aeneas wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 7:59pmClearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper HeadonMarky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 11:49amSounds like you are making up your own theory.
Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?
The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.
You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.
Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.
How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?
=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================
Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.
From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .
Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.
350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
The winner takes it all.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:11pmNot for the first time this week.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:09pmHeston is the winner.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:08pmFor me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."101Walterton wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:03pmI always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
He's always a winner in my book!Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:11pmNot for the first time this week.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:09pmHeston is the winner.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:08pmFor me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."101Walterton wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:03pmI always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
The loser (Flex) standing small.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:12pmThe winner takes it all.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:11pmNot for the first time this week.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:09pmHeston is the winner.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:08pmFor me it's the bit after "how can I even try to go on." The riff starts on the word, "on."101Walterton wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:03pm
I always presumed it was the descending notes in the chorus?
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
You do realise it was only a robot you beat. Flex is not a real person.Heston wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:15pmThe loser (Flex) standing small.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
I also don't think it's a steal - just similar and something I've heard mentioned before. Thought it might lighten up this conversation!Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 7:43pmYep I knew you would know the technical specifics. It is similar but I don't think it's a steal either.Kory wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 7:12pmAnd the octave and 5th are reversed as well, but still quite similar.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 5:30pmYep. It's just speeded up kind of.Kory wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 5:18pmIs this referring to the Pretty Vacant-esque intro?WestwayKid wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 1:13pmThe only "conspiracy" is whether Mick ripped off Steve Jones or the other way around
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
Well he wore raccoon hats, that's obscene.
Who pfaffed the pfaff? Who got pfaffed tonight?
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Thanks for the info I had no idea where City of the Dead come from. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it.Aeneas wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:12pmCity of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 8:48pmWell some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.Aeneas wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 7:59pmClearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper HeadonMarky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 11:49amSounds like you are making up your own theory.
Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?
The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.
You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.
Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.
How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?
=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================
Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.
From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .
Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.
350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.
Everyone here hates Joe Strummer. Why don't you?
You are correct in 1977 the UK was wall to wall deep in junkies. You couldn't go to the local supermarket without bumping into one. I'm amazed there are any people left living here it was such an epidemic.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
He had an excuse: it was the drugs. (I think we've all worn raccoons in some manner while under some kind of influence.)
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Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
I can only imagine drug addicts/dealers and record companies/organized crimeMarky Dread wrote: ↑06 Mar 2019, 4:30pmThanks for the info I had no idea where City of the Dead come from. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it.Aeneas wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 9:12pmCity of the Dead was the B-side to Complete Control (the 2nd Clash anthem)Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 8:48pmWell some truth at last but in 1964 there were around 350 registered Heroin addicts in the UK.Aeneas wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 7:59pmClearly, Strummer had trouble keeping his own drummer Topper HeadonMarky Dread wrote: ↑05 Mar 2019, 11:49am
Sounds like you are making up your own theory.
Heroin wasn't destroying Strummer's friends. Their own stupidity did that and Joe singing about Heroin killing his friends in 1976 is stupid talk how many of Joe's squatting community do you think could afford a bag of Heroin? Sure the Heartbreakers famously took Heroin but they were not to blame for the likes of Sid taking it as he had taken it even before he joined the Pistols and met Thunders etc. So I wonder exactly who you think these friends were Joe was allegedly singing about?
The UK drug of choice for the punks and soul boys was Speed because it was cheap (affordable) and served it purpose for all-nighters.
You changing the ad-libs to suit your own narrative/conspiracy doesn't make it right.
Should change the name of the song back to it's original title "I'm So Bored with You".
Not in 1976 he didn't when the song in question was written and Terry was the drummer. Fail.
from the heroin needle, and eventually was forced to fire him.
Certainly, backstage when Sid Vicious was holding court as a solo act
in NYC in late 1978/early 1979 with several members of the New York Dolls
must have been a blast -- Johnny Thunders and Jerry Nolan (drummer) were
definitely heroin addicts, in a place, NYC, where it has always been
extremely easy to 'score' or 'cop' heroin.
How did Joe write about these events in "I'm So Bored with the USA" when they occured after 1976?
=============City of the Dead==================
In the city of the dead
Fall in love an' fall in bed
It wasn't anything you said
Except I know we both lie dead
Don't you know where to cop
That's what New York Johnny said
You should get to know your town
Just like I know mine
=============================================
Johnny telling Joe that it's best to know where to score and where can he get gear in the UK. Joe took Heroin once it's alleged and covered it up with a hepatitis scare which was claimed he got from swallowing some gob.
From what I have read, there was a "British System" within
the UK health system in the late 60's/early 70's to prescribe heroin
to people who their psychiatrists thought needed the drug,
through Drug Dependency Units (DDU) established by the Ministry of Health.
Thus it appears the UK Parliament was the one importing much of the
Golden Crescent opium directly.
and that single was released 23 September 1977 (U.K.) .
Clearly, there are members of this forum who hate Joe Strummer and make up
ugly stories about him -- weird.
350 who were registered heroin addicts -- the rest, who preferred not to deal with the psychiatrists,
or who were being weaned onto methadone by those clinics,
'scored' their heroin on the street.
Everyone here hates Joe Strummer. Why don't you?
You are correct in 1977 the UK was wall to wall deep in junkies. You couldn't go to the local supermarket without bumping into one. I'm amazed there are any people left living here it was such an epidemic.
who would hate Strummer.
It is practically impossible to distribute illegal drugs down a static pyramid
of unchanging drug dealers and addicts, down from the Drug Kingpin who imports the drugs,
without the police knowing all about it.
Heavy bribes must go to the police/fbi/dea to allow such drug dealing to occur.
Generally, the corrupt news media does not show those bribes and usually
present a glamorized picture of police and detectives.
In the USA, the only depictions of police corruption for a long time were
the snippet in The Godfather where the police Captain McCluskey is shown allied
with drug dealer Sollozzo, in a movie that essentially presents the Corleone
crime family as the drug police, and
in the movie Serpico (1973), which showed a lot more of how police behave
when "on the take".
These police presentations are rare in the media and this facilitates the drug business.
Initially, in New York City, police tried to designate areas we call "drug turf"
in black neighbourhoods, like Harlem (area in NYC between Manhattan and The Bronx),
referred to as "Uptown" and "the dark areas" in The Godfather.
But recently, drugs are spreading to the 'heartland' of the USA (i.e. the area between the coasts)
and that has everyone here worried.
Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
What the hell is going on in this thread? Is this dude saying there was a conspiracy to change joes lyrics from the shitty early version to the final version?
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
Re: Bored With The USA lyrics correction
This sounds like the record company.
Interestingly, I have yet to see a video on Youtube which shows Strummer
singing the 1st Stanza of I'm So Bored With The USA, which talks about
the US soldier's experience with heroin in Vietnam
Clearly, the record company forbade him to sing that part of the song,
on orders from their allies in organized crime.
If anyone has a video in which Strummer sings All the lyrics of the song,
I would like to see it -- it should be posted on Youtube and other sites.
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Your tombstone will americana for humbug
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