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I understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.
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Obedience is desired by totalitarian regimes. I prefer liberty, comrade.101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:18pmI would say that it is fine to shuffle a CD if you want however back to my original point with vinyl you bought something that you listened to as intended. Shuffling, skipping, programming tracks was the start of disposable music where you could do what you want with it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:11pmKa-CHUNK!
Just for the sake of argument, why is it superior to listen in the order that the artist places them? Is the listening experience about fealty to the artist or about what the listener wants? If I think CtC is flawless except that "Fingerpoppin'" should be the lead song and that "This Is England" be excised for being tolerable, I have every right to listen to it in that order, and so a medium that facilitates that ability is superior to one that makes it harder.Vinyl was great because more often than not I'd listen to a complete side in the order provided and appreciate all the tracks. I never brought records to parties as they generally got all scratched to hell by drunk amateur dj's.
With vinyl you invested time in it so grew to love (or not) all those album tracks over time. You don’t need to invest time in a CD.
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And how many times did you have an album in each hand (or several)unable to decide which one to go with knowing it could be a long time before you could buy another.revbob wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:31pmI understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.
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I’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:44pmObedience is desired by totalitarian regimes. I prefer liberty, comrade.101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:18pmI would say that it is fine to shuffle a CD if you want however back to my original point with vinyl you bought something that you listened to as intended. Shuffling, skipping, programming tracks was the start of disposable music where you could do what you want with it.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:11pmKa-CHUNK!
Just for the sake of argument, why is it superior to listen in the order that the artist places them? Is the listening experience about fealty to the artist or about what the listener wants? If I think CtC is flawless except that "Fingerpoppin'" should be the lead song and that "This Is England" be excised for being tolerable, I have every right to listen to it in that order, and so a medium that facilitates that ability is superior to one that makes it harder.Vinyl was great because more often than not I'd listen to a complete side in the order provided and appreciate all the tracks. I never brought records to parties as they generally got all scratched to hell by drunk amateur dj's.
With vinyl you invested time in it so grew to love (or not) all those album tracks over time. You don’t need to invest time in a CD.
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revbob wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:31pmI understand stand Doc's devil's advocate-ish stance but like 101 said vinyl was an investment. Certainly as a kid/teen/other person on limited income you were more discerning with your music purchases. Now I can download almost anything I want within 15 minutes and if I don't like it no big deal. Anything that requires no investment in terms of time/money etc is more disposable. As a kid/teen I used to have to take an hour bus ride to the record store or if I did mail order for some of the rare stuff I had to send cash and hope the guy at the other end didn't use it for beer money instead.
Hi, Simon! One of his arguments is that kids nowadays don't properly appreciate music because it's too easy to acquire, that the chase was a key part of the listening experience. Which, again, seems a weird argument for exclusivity, of location and financial resources, when we're talking about a commodity that is meant to be available to a mass audience.
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Maybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:51pmI’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
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No it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:55pmMaybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:51pmI’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
Sandinista springs to mind.
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That's the other thing. You didn't give up on something so easily.101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:02pmNo it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:55pmMaybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:51pmI’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
Sandinista springs to mind.
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I only listen to music on minidisc.
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Definitely! Some of my favourite records left me confused the first time or two. But when music is easy to acquire and store—um, piracy—there's no problem holding on to it and maybe you'll “get it” later on. There's no reason not to return to it later just becaus it was easily acquired.101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:02pmNo it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:55pmMaybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:51pmI’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
Sandinista springs to mind.
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I remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
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Pretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:38pmI remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
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But 'young people' don't acquire and store they listen on Spotify (or similar). I have 2 teenagers (and by default I know and talk to a lot of teenagers) who both listen to music all the time. Neither of them own a CD or record between them and only stream on Spotify. They have no music collection as such or back catalogue to listen to. They barely even have a Playlist on Spotify.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:35pmDefinitely! Some of my favourite records left me confused the first time or two. But when music is easy to acquire and store—um, piracy—there's no problem holding on to it and maybe you'll “get it” later on. There's no reason not to return to it later just becaus it was easily acquired.101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:02pmNo it doesn’t but how many albums that you now love did you not like the first time you heard them or took you a while to ‘get’ them.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:55pmMaybe if you bought it and played it several times it'd grow on you. Sure, it happens. But how many albums did we buy that we played several times and realized we'd wasted $15?101Walterton wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 7:51pmI’m guilty of giving something a listen on Spotify to see what I think then discarding it I barely 1 listen.
I can certainly appreciate the various arguments, but my inclination is that introducing money into the equation doesn't make the music better.
Sandinista springs to mind.
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I wish I could remember his objections to, I think, cd-r. Being able to record over it, maybe?revbob wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:52pmPretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:38pmI remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.
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All those great compilations Snoh made were on CDR.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 9:00pmI wish I could remember his objections to, I think, cd-r. Being able to record over it, maybe?revbob wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:52pmPretty silly considering anything on a mini disc was just a copy of something else.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑10 Mar 2019, 8:38pmI remember trying to do some kind of swap with snoh way back when, and he refused to do anything but minidisc for reasons that I don't precisely recall but left me baffled at the time.