Probably? It's also on the two disc TIBAD and on Spotify.Wolter wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:35amIs it on a BAD Files volume? I haven’t dug those out in years, but I would like that. The music on it is SO much better than the lyrics.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:34amThere's a "dub" version which is great cos it take the lyrics out
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Maybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
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No, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
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Is it much different to Frankie Goes To Hollywood sampling all the Cold War stuff for Two Tribes? All just seems a bit harmless to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:21pmNo, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
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A slight difference between sampling in a song opposing nuclear brinksmanship versus a song that relies on stereotypes derived largely from racism and other demonization. Again, this isn't to suggest that Mick sought to be offensive, only that he went about things in a crude way that could very easily appeal to genuine bigots.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:31pmIs it much different to Frankie Goes To Hollywood sampling all the Cold War stuff for Two Tribes? All just seems a bit harmless to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:21pmNo, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
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Yeah, I don't think it's intentionally offensive or anything. As I said, we're all (theoretically) a tad wiser and more sensitive about such things and the song hasn't really kept up with the times. It happens, and it's a testament to Mick's lyrical craftsmanship that this is one of (the only?) really wince-worthy set of lyrics he's put out there.
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Which stereotypes are derived from racism? I'm genuinely interested to know. Maybe I'm just naive but I would never have noticed any racist connotations in the lyrics until it was mentioned here.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:48pmA slight difference between sampling in a song opposing nuclear brinksmanship versus a song that relies on stereotypes derived largely from racism and other demonization. Again, this isn't to suggest that Mick sought to be offensive, only that he went about things in a crude way that could very easily appeal to genuine bigots.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:31pmIs it much different to Frankie Goes To Hollywood sampling all the Cold War stuff for Two Tribes? All just seems a bit harmless to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:21pmNo, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00am
I suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
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Don't forget Don had a BIG hand in the lyrics on TiBAD. It was only recently we learnt he wrote the lyrics for E=mc2.Flex wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:02pmYeah, I don't think it's intentionally offensive or anything. As I said, we're all (theoretically) a tad wiser and more sensitive about such things and the song hasn't really kept up with the times. It happens, and it's a testament to Mick's lyrical craftsmanship that this is one of (the only?) really wince-worthy set of lyrics he's put out there.
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Okay, it's Don's fault.
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Less biological racism than the cultural form, where certain facets just get trotted out to emphasize an entire people. Stuff like hari kari, rice wine, cheap and imitative commodities, samurais, Godzilla, kamikazes. It's not like all that stuff is a fabrication, but that it reduces Japan and Japanese to a dumb caricature.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:05pmWhich stereotypes are derived from racism? I'm genuinely interested to know. Maybe I'm just naive but I would never have noticed any racist connotations in the lyrics until it was mentioned here.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:48pmA slight difference between sampling in a song opposing nuclear brinksmanship versus a song that relies on stereotypes derived largely from racism and other demonization. Again, this isn't to suggest that Mick sought to be offensive, only that he went about things in a crude way that could very easily appeal to genuine bigots.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:31pmIs it much different to Frankie Goes To Hollywood sampling all the Cold War stuff for Two Tribes? All just seems a bit harmless to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:21pmNo, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.
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But I love that line about Godzilla eating the bullet train.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:18pmLess biological racism than the cultural form, where certain facets just get trotted out to emphasize an entire people. Stuff like hari kari, rice wine, cheap and imitative commodities, samurais, Godzilla, kamikazes. It's not like all that stuff is a fabrication, but that it reduces Japan and Japanese to a dumb caricature.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:05pmWhich stereotypes are derived from racism? I'm genuinely interested to know. Maybe I'm just naive but I would never have noticed any racist connotations in the lyrics until it was mentioned here.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:48pmA slight difference between sampling in a song opposing nuclear brinksmanship versus a song that relies on stereotypes derived largely from racism and other demonization. Again, this isn't to suggest that Mick sought to be offensive, only that he went about things in a crude way that could very easily appeal to genuine bigots.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:31pmIs it much different to Frankie Goes To Hollywood sampling all the Cold War stuff for Two Tribes? All just seems a bit harmless to me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:21pm
No, there's no intentional malice there, but they go about considering Japanese culture from the crudest angles. That sample of the Pearl Harbor attack bulletin alone is awful—what's the point of that? Mick's better than that; this was just clumsy as fuck.
I get your point to an extent but it's hardly Skrewdriver..
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Clearly! Several of us just see Mick (or Don ) as clumsy, not nasty.
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I used the word xenophobic, I wouldn't call it racist.
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Yeah, this isn’t a case of malicious intent. It’s just a case where the times have changed and it comes off as lazy stereotyping.
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I can get the stereotype thing to an extent but the xenophobia thing just seems off the mark if we're using the dictionary definition. "A dislike or prejudice against people from other countries." Sorry, I just can't see it. It's a good natured yarn about the East in the same way Medicine Show does a similar job on the old West (with a heavy dash of modern consumerism).
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