"Medicine Show." however, is clearly riffing on an entirely made-up history—Hollywood's imagined view of the Old West. It has no basis whatsoever in any real people. That's the key distinction, I think. They're both playful songs, but "Medicine Show" is playing off a media creation.
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"Ain't no party like an S Club party!'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
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An emphasis on prejudice rather than dislike. Cartoon versions of entire countries rest on broad stereotypes that have no actual thought in them.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:45pmI can get the stereotype thing to an extent but the xenophobia thing just seems off the mark if we're using the dictionary definition. "A dislike or prejudice against people from other countries." Sorry, I just can't see it. It's a good natured yarn about the East in the same way Medicine Show does a similar job on the old West (with a heavy dash of modern consumerism).
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Also, and I cannot stress this enough: the actual music for Sony SLAPS.
”INDER LOCK THE THE KISS THREAD IVE REALISED IM A PRZE IDOOT” - Thomas Jefferson
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
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We've been through this before but Wiki has Joe down as being sampled on Sony and I am convinced it is not him. Just sounds like Don.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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There's an infamous episode of the Flintstones (I think it was pulled from syndication years ago) where the Fred and Barney wander on to a movie set of a Western but believe they're actually being targeted by Indians looking to scalp them, etc. The intent wasn't to promote contempt of indigenous people, but it relied on a long history of the myth of the savage.Silent Majority wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:54pmAn emphasis on prejudice rather than dislike. Cartoon versions of entire countries rest on broad stereotypes that have no actual thought in them.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 2:45pmI can get the stereotype thing to an extent but the xenophobia thing just seems off the mark if we're using the dictionary definition. "A dislike or prejudice against people from other countries." Sorry, I just can't see it. It's a good natured yarn about the East in the same way Medicine Show does a similar job on the old West (with a heavy dash of modern consumerism).
"Ain't no party like an S Club party!'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
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Kind of hilarious that literal cavemen were considered less savage than indigenous peoples.
”INDER LOCK THE THE KISS THREAD IVE REALISED IM A PRZE IDOOT” - Thomas Jefferson
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
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White cavemen, certainly.
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True.
”INDER LOCK THE THE KISS THREAD IVE REALISED IM A PRZE IDOOT” - Thomas Jefferson
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
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The most civilized caveman of them all:
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Pex Lives!
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Pex Lives!
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I had this playing in the car and the audio panning on Medicine Show was GREAT. I gotta spin this with headphones on again.
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Pex Lives!
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
Wiggle - you can raise the dead
Pex Lives!
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I agree with you mate I've never heard it as Joe.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
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I hate all this politically correct analysis. Every nation on earth has stereotypes. The song is tongue in cheek.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
No one seemed too bothered about all the stereotypes in Safe European Home.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia
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Dreadlock Holiday gets plenty of radio airtime.Marky Dread wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 7:35pmI hate all this politically correct analysis. Every nation on earth has stereotypes. The song is tongue in cheek.Heston wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 1:12pmMaybe there are a few stereotypes used but it is a song about Japanese culture, and is good-natured in its delivery. Nothing seems particularly offensive to me, and certainly nothing xenophobic as alluded to elsewhere.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 11:00amI suspect if there were an extended version we'd hear the remaining 15% of known Japanese stereotypes that weren't used in the song.
No one seemed too bothered about all the stereotypes in Safe European Home.
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(I've always been a little uneasy about the stereotypes in Safe European Home, actually)
Probably comes from growing up in a place that is renowned for literally owning black people and fighting a war to keep it that way.
But, to take it further: SEH is about the Clash's reaction to Jamaica. It's not them pretending to be cod rastas.
Probably comes from growing up in a place that is renowned for literally owning black people and fighting a war to keep it that way.
But, to take it further: SEH is about the Clash's reaction to Jamaica. It's not them pretending to be cod rastas.
”INDER LOCK THE THE KISS THREAD IVE REALISED IM A PRZE IDOOT” - Thomas Jefferson
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
"But the gorilla thinks otherwise!"
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"Move ya botty outta the way you raasclatt" sings Mick on the coda. That's kinda just as bad as 10cc in my book.Wolter wrote: ↑15 May 2019, 9:52pm(I've always been a little uneasy about the stereotypes in Safe European Home, actually)
Probably comes from growing up in a place that is renowned for literally owning black people and fighting a war to keep it that way.
But, to take it further: SEH is about the Clash's reaction to Jamaica. It's not them pretending to be cod rastas.
They went to the right place where every white face was an invitation to robbery. Yep because all Jamaicans were robbers.
Who dat Martian on arrival at the airport - yep because in 1978 Jamaica no black man has ever seen a white man before.
Just pointing out the obvious is all peeps.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia