I lean to a third interpretation that might be seen as in between the other two—the rest of the band trying to deal with an asshole for their own health and that of the band. It was selfish, but not sinister.Flex wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 6:19pmIt's funny, now (and especially after reading Ralph's book) I'm inclined to read most of the "interventions" from Joe (and especially) Nick and Pete as sincere efforts to help an obviously troubled band member rather than the nefarious attempts at control he assumes in the book.
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Yeah, could be that too- which in terms of effect I don't think would be that different from genuinely trying to help the guy.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 6:34pmI lean to a third interpretation that might be seen as in between the other two—the rest of the band trying to deal with an asshole for their own health and that of the band. It was selfish, but not sinister.
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Right, the methods and most of the ends would be identical, only that they less truly cared about Mr. Attitude.Flex wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 6:38pmYeah, could be that too- which in terms of effect I don't think would be that different from genuinely trying to help the guy.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑23 May 2019, 6:34pmI lean to a third interpretation that might be seen as in between the other two—the rest of the band trying to deal with an asshole for their own health and that of the band. It was selfish, but not sinister.
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28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
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Is there much inclusion of observations from the cast?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
Just finished listening to Ron Currie's Everything Matters! Still a wonderful novel. Next up is another relisten, inspired by conversation with 101W a few weeks ago, Elaine Pagels' Beyond Belief, about the Gospel of Thomas. It's an abridged reading, but whatever.
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Yeah, seemingly new interviews with everyone bar Atkinson who's represented by old press.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:34amIs there much inclusion of observations from the cast?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
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A shame that he wouldn't participate, but it doesn't surprise either, as he is, by reputation, odd and prickly.Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:41amYeah, seemingly new interviews with everyone bar Atkinson who's represented by old press.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:34amIs there much inclusion of observations from the cast?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
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Funny, I just read this a couple weeks ago. I didn't find that anyone corroborated the claim in another thread that Rowan was a beast on set who required that he be the only funny one. What did you think was unnecessary besides the fictional history?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
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Honestly, hard to say in particular. The non-show stuff, like Rowan's live shows and the goings on of other TV shows. Just a bit of a bloated feel.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 12:49pmFunny, I just read this a couple weeks ago. I didn't find that anyone corroborated the claim in another thread that Rowan was a beast on set who required that he be the only funny one. What did you think was unnecessary besides the fictional history?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
You're right - he does feel a lot more generous to his scene sharers in this than Tom Baker gave him credit for.
Oh, and I loved the mad Brian Blessed shit too.
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I thought that stuff was cool—I'm an Atkinson fan in general, as well as Richard Curtis and Ben Elton. I thought it was kind of cool to get some backstory and history on them and context on other shows from the cast/creators since we don't hear from them much in the States.Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 1:10pmHonestly, hard to say in particular. The non-show stuff, like Rowan's live shows and the goings on of other TV shows. Just a bit of a bloated feel.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 12:49pmFunny, I just read this a couple weeks ago. I didn't find that anyone corroborated the claim in another thread that Rowan was a beast on set who required that he be the only funny one. What did you think was unnecessary besides the fictional history?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
You're right - he does feel a lot more generous to his scene sharers in this than Tom Baker gave him credit for.
Oh, and I loved the mad Brian Blessed shit too.
I helped with the crowdfunding of the same author's book on Fry & Laurie—you might like that one a bit more, since it's about them as a duo rather than any one show, and it dispenses with the speculative prose.
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Interesting - yeah, I guess these guyses stories are kind of part of the national conversation here in a way you wouldn't get in the States.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 2:29pmI thought that stuff was cool—I'm an Atkinson fan in general, as well as Richard Curtis and Ben Elton. I thought it was kind of cool to get some backstory and history on them and context on other shows from the cast/creators since we don't hear from them much in the States.Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 1:10pmHonestly, hard to say in particular. The non-show stuff, like Rowan's live shows and the goings on of other TV shows. Just a bit of a bloated feel.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 12:49pmFunny, I just read this a couple weeks ago. I didn't find that anyone corroborated the claim in another thread that Rowan was a beast on set who required that he be the only funny one. What did you think was unnecessary besides the fictional history?Silent Majority wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 11:06am28) The True History of the Blackadder: The Unadulterated Tale of the Creation of a Comedy Legend by J F Roberts. Kindle. A mixed bag. This is the definition of a book which needs an editor. What it should do is focus in on the making of the show. Which it does, but it's surrounded by a lot of unnecessary bullshit that doesn't need to be in here, as well as a very annoying conceit of Blackadders actually existing and the wroter thinking they're funny. The parts that are about making the classic series are actually excellent, with notable highlights any time Rik Mayall turned up.
You're right - he does feel a lot more generous to his scene sharers in this than Tom Baker gave him credit for.
Oh, and I loved the mad Brian Blessed shit too.
I helped with the crowdfunding of the same author's book on Fry & Laurie—you might like that one a bit more, since it's about them as a duo rather than any one show, and it dispenses with the speculative prose.
I'll give that Fry and Laurie book a read at some point. I find Fry maybe 70% overrated but both are vsry funny.
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His novel Making History is kinda fun. It's about killing Hitler and insufferable history grad students (but I repeat myself).
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I like all of his novels, but I suppose that must be another difference between NA and UK, it seems like people over there don't really like him anymore but he's pretty popular here with anglophiles.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 4:56pmHis novel Making History is kinda fun. It's about killing Hitler and insufferable history grad students (but I repeat myself).
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I've also read The Liar and The Hippopotamus, tho I don't recall much of them. I find his writing tends to be a bit too precious for my tastes, like he's writing for his writing group, trying to impress them.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 6:18pmI like all of his novels, but I suppose that must be another difference between NA and UK, it seems like people over there don't really like him anymore but he's pretty popular here with anglophiles.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 4:56pmHis novel Making History is kinda fun. It's about killing Hitler and insufferable history grad students (but I repeat myself).
(Tangentially related, if you've never read Hugh Laurie's novel, The Gun Seller, it's a massively entertaining comedic thriller. Laurie is one of those assholes who is good at everything, including being a genial prick.)
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Oh yeah we've talked about the Gun Seller many times. Still awaiting his follow-up, Paper Soldiers, which apparently has been completed for over a decade but is unreleased.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 6:27pmI've also read The Liar and The Hippopotamus, tho I don't recall much of them. I find his writing tends to be a bit too precious for my tastes, like he's writing for his writing group, trying to impress them.Kory wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 6:18pmI like all of his novels, but I suppose that must be another difference between NA and UK, it seems like people over there don't really like him anymore but he's pretty popular here with anglophiles.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑29 May 2019, 4:56pmHis novel Making History is kinda fun. It's about killing Hitler and insufferable history grad students (but I repeat myself).
(Tangentially related, if you've never read Hugh Laurie's novel, The Gun Seller, it's a massively entertaining comedic thriller. Laurie is one of those assholes who is good at everything, including being a genial prick.)
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