Leaving out This Is England, what is your favourite song on CTC?

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As per thread title

Dictator
1
3%
Dirty Punk
0
No votes
Are You Red...y
5
15%
We Are the Clash
2
6%
Cool Under Heat
2
6%
Movers and Shakers
2
6%
Three Card Trick
13
38%
Play To Win
0
No votes
Fingerpoppin'
0
No votes
North and South
8
24%
Life Is Wild
1
3%
 
Total votes: 34

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Re: Leaving out This Is England, what is your favourite song on CTC?

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Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 7:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:54pm
Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:44pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:39pm
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17 Jun 2020, 6:36pm
Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!
Bernie couldn't figure out how to futurize and radicalize it enough?
That might explain it but doesn't help me to comprehend it. Also the notion of Joe pretty much abdicating any sense of responsibility for it, still find that painful to think about. Actually prefer not to pretty much.
Knowing that Joe was seriously messed up and being manipulated by an evil fucker of a manager makes it easier for me. Knowing that this wasn't a sincere effort at the best he could do post-Mick excises the crime. EW, on the other hand …
Yeah, i guess he did try his heart out on EW and that was best he could do. Short of confidence, doubting himself at that point i feel. That said, talking of irrational idiocy or no, i like EW, flaws and all. Always did, 5-6 tracks I've no bother standing over and i dont consider that a bad haul for any album. I get that might be minority opinion, though.
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I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board

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Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:44pm
I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
Yep I agree there are some tunes on there but they are buried under a crap guitar sound which is completely wrong for that record and the songs suffer from not having room to breathe. Too many lyrics crammed into songs with hardly any memorable lines. I play EW less than CtC.
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Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:44pm
I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
And you didn’t believe me when I said that for CTC 😉

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Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:36pm
Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!
I agree but how bad would it have sounded after the CTC treatment.

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Criticisms of EW are all valid enough.

How i would assess it: Island Hopping, Shouting Street, Sleepwalk, Leopardskin, RYD - all well structured and executed tracks, you might not love them but i dont see grounds for hate. Otherwise it can get a bit wordy and clunkey in parts and there's a turkey or two in there. I think Joe's cramming too many ideas in there, overthinking it and best tracks are simple ones. I still like the likes of Gangsterville, Dizzys Goatee, Sikorsky Parts etc but can see why they're not for everyone.

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101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:08pm
Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 6:36pm
Will never be able to comprehend what strand of deranged idiocy must have been at play when considering the tracklist for the album and deciding that Pouring Rain somehow didnt fit the bill. It's up there among the stupidest and most irrational decisions taken in the course of the bands history for me, and they're were a few of them!
I agree but how bad would it have sounded after the CTC treatment.
I'm already hearing the football chant chorus in my head and i need it to stop right now.

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Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:16pm
Criticisms of EW are all valid enough.

How i would assess it: Island Hopping, Shouting Street, Sleepwalk, Leopardskin, RYD - all well structured and executed tracks, you might not love them but i dont see grounds for hate. Otherwise it can get a bit wordy and clunkey in parts and there's a turkey or two in there. I think Joe's cramming too many ideas in there, overthinking it and best tracks are simple ones. I still like the likes of Gangsterville, Dizzys Goatee, Sikorsky Parts etc but can see why they're not for everyone.
Earthquake Weather better than Cut The Crap. That’s about all you can say.

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101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:06pm
Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:44pm
I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
And you didn’t believe me when I said that for CTC 😉
The thing is CtC is quite tuneful under the barrage of noise. The vocal melodies are mostly pretty good and well constructed. Which is surprising as Joe left to his own devices usually operated around about 3 notes. Only Shouting Street, Island Hopping and Sleepwalk have that sense of melody on EW.
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Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:37pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:06pm
Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:44pm
I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
And you didn’t believe me when I said that for CTC 😉
The thing is CtC is quite tuneful under the barrage of noise. The vocal melodies are mostly pretty good and well constructed. Which is surprising as Joe left to his own devices usually operated around about 3 notes. Only Shouting Street, Island Hopping and Sleepwalk have that sense of melody on EW.
Afetr so many years of denial and avoidance of all things Mark II, yes, I can hear underlying tunes, ideas and melodies in CtC... and some of them are good.

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Toppers Boppers wrote:
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This isn't a thread, it's therapy.
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101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:31pm
Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:16pm
Criticisms of EW are all valid enough.

How i would assess it: Island Hopping, Shouting Street, Sleepwalk, Leopardskin, RYD - all well structured and executed tracks, you might not love them but i dont see grounds for hate. Otherwise it can get a bit wordy and clunkey in parts and there's a turkey or two in there. I think Joe's cramming too many ideas in there, overthinking it and best tracks are simple ones. I still like the likes of Gangsterville, Dizzys Goatee, Sikorsky Parts etc but can see why they're not for everyone.
Earthquake Weather better than Cut The Crap. That’s about all you can say.
You're probably correct. Still I listen to CtC more often.
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Toppers Boppers wrote:
18 Jun 2020, 5:12am
Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:37pm
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:06pm
Heston wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 8:44pm
I've heard EW about 100 times and still couldn't hum some of the songs if I had a gun to my head.
And you didn’t believe me when I said that for CTC 😉
The thing is CtC is quite tuneful under the barrage of noise. The vocal melodies are mostly pretty good and well constructed. Which is surprising as Joe left to his own devices usually operated around about 3 notes. Only Shouting Street, Island Hopping and Sleepwalk have that sense of melody on EW.
Afetr so many years of denial and avoidance of all things Mark II, yes, I can hear underlying tunes, ideas and melodies in CtC... and some of them are good.

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Olaf wrote:
18 Jun 2020, 7:16am
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:31pm
Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:16pm
Criticisms of EW are all valid enough.

How i would assess it: Island Hopping, Shouting Street, Sleepwalk, Leopardskin, RYD - all well structured and executed tracks, you might not love them but i dont see grounds for hate. Otherwise it can get a bit wordy and clunkey in parts and there's a turkey or two in there. I think Joe's cramming too many ideas in there, overthinking it and best tracks are simple ones. I still like the likes of Gangsterville, Dizzys Goatee, Sikorsky Parts etc but can see why they're not for everyone.
Earthquake Weather better than Cut The Crap. That’s about all you can say.
You're probably correct. Still I listen to CtC more often.
I really don’t listen to either very often, why would you when there is so much good stuff.

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101Walterton wrote:
18 Jun 2020, 3:45pm
Olaf wrote:
18 Jun 2020, 7:16am
101Walterton wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:31pm
Low Down Low wrote:
17 Jun 2020, 9:16pm
Criticisms of EW are all valid enough.

How i would assess it: Island Hopping, Shouting Street, Sleepwalk, Leopardskin, RYD - all well structured and executed tracks, you might not love them but i dont see grounds for hate. Otherwise it can get a bit wordy and clunkey in parts and there's a turkey or two in there. I think Joe's cramming too many ideas in there, overthinking it and best tracks are simple ones. I still like the likes of Gangsterville, Dizzys Goatee, Sikorsky Parts etc but can see why they're not for everyone.
Earthquake Weather better than Cut The Crap. That’s about all you can say.
You're probably correct. Still I listen to CtC more often.
I really don’t listen to either very often, why would you when there is so much good stuff.
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