The Harper's Letter, Cancel Culture, and Free Speech

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Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
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Flex wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.

To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
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Wolter wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:40am
Flex wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.

To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
I'm sure they'd prefer selling anti-nausea and anti-anxiety meds rather than have people finding relief in a $2 a pop weed gummie.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:43am
Wolter wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:40am
Flex wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:39am
Not signing onto m4a I get from a donor perspective bad though it is, but the marijuana thing is baffling. There's no major monied interest that I can really discern that's big opponents. I don't think the pharmaceutical industry really cares, which is the only real opposition I could think of at this point.
Never underestimate pharma’s ability to undermine things just because.

To be honest, I think this is a case of most Democrats literally unable to realize it’s no longer 1996 until they are forced to.
I'm sure they'd prefer selling anti-nausea and anti-anxiety meds rather than have people finding relief in a $2 a pop weed gummie.
Well that's part of it right? The profit chain hasn't been fully fleshed out yet right? How much and who gets it.

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MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
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One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
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Flex wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:57am
MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
Oh, the number of wealthy whites people in IL taking all the licenses while poor Black people linger in jail on possession charges is phenomenal.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
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Wolter wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Flex wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 11:57am
MJ is already, and going to continue to be, a huge, huge corporate business. Patenting strains, massive manufacturing sites. If phrma (or any other adjacent indistry) is actually opposed rather than buying up land to build giant grow facilities and working on strain patents, they're missing the boat. In 10 years the marijuana industry is going to be just as evil and repulsive as any other in this country. We've already been seeing it in Colorado, once it finally gets legal nationally the profiteering floodgates are gonna open real wide for a small handful of bio-pharmaceuticals and maybe some factory farming corps.
Oh, the number of wealthy whites people in IL taking all the licenses while poor Black people linger in jail on possession charges is phenomenal.
It was funny/not funny by how many prominent retired Conservative politicians who were firmly on board with anti-pot propaganda back in the 80s and 90s were early investors once legalization was a certainty. Utterly shameless.
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BostonBeaneater wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:31pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
The Fruiti Pebbles bars are the tits.

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BostonBeaneater wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:57pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:31pm
BostonBeaneater wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:23pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
29 Jul 2020, 12:22pm
One oddity from the pandemic is a number of local pot shops went under. I figured those places would be fine but seemingly the market is more unsteady than I thought.
I get mine in chocolate form made by a laid off pastry chef.
You're not worried that it might be a gateway to harder stuff like tortes and mousses?
The Fruiti Pebbles bars are the tits.

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https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence

The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2022, 12:17pm
https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence

The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
Mickey Kaus, a right wing commentator, is quite explicit about this on a podcast I listen to that he co-hosts (why I subject myself to that is another issue worth exploring). He complains that "cancel culture" is when blue checks on twitter can mute or block him and not engage with what he has to say. Which, lol. It really is just a case of reactionary shitheads learning a bunch of people don't find them impressive or worth the time.
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Flex wrote:
15 Aug 2022, 12:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
15 Aug 2022, 12:17pm
https://popehat.substack.com/p/the-phil ... ncoherence

The set-up: Two prominent academics (apparently; I don't know who they are) whine about cancel culture because high school students quietly walked out of the auditorium while one was giving a speech littered with a certain racial slur. Which is what complaints about cancel culture have always been about: how dare you disrespect me, you homunculi!
Mickey Kaus, a right wing commentator, is quite explicit about this on a podcast I listen to that he co-hosts (why I subject myself to that is another issue worth exploring). He complains that "cancel culture" is when blue checks on twitter can mute or block him and not engage with what he has to say. Which, lol. It really is just a case of reactionary shitheads learning a bunch of people don't find them impressive or worth the time.
Yup, it's a status/ego thing, not a free speech question. I remember when Kavanaugh gave his unhinged "I like beer" testimony, someone observed that the subtext—his body language, his inflection—was "how dare you." The irony is that these are also the people who will rage against elites when this kind of carping is all about asserting the privilege of elites—the expected deference of their lessers.
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