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I'm starting to have the beginnings of a spark of hope that the Electoral College won't just hand this to Trump on a plate. Whatever you think of Biden (that his brain is deteriorating, that he'll continue to exacerbate the conditions that gave rise to Trump and lead QAnon to replace the Republican Party in full, that he doesn't care about the climate catastrophe that will kill the younger of us) he's the right one to vote for.
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Silent Majority wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 9:44am
I'm starting to have the beginnings of a spark of hope that the Electoral College won't just hand this to Trump on a plate. Whatever you think of Biden (that his brain is deteriorating, that he'll continue to exacerbate the conditions that gave rise to Trump and lead QAnon to replace the Republican Party in full, that he doesn't care about the climate catastrophe that will kill the younger of us) he's the right one to vote for.
I know two Trump people who I don't think are voting for him this time around (Father in Law, my dad/stepmom so I guess three). Dad and stepmom are in North Carolina, so I'm going to do what I can do make them vote the right way. As awful is Biden is, he does appear to be a safe pick for older types of which always have big turnout.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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I posted a few days back in, I think, the Trump thread, that there's a fear amongst Republicans that Trump's anti-mail spluttering will hurt them more than Democrats. Republicans far more than Democrats believe that mail voting is now fraudulent, so they won't go that route, but their base is also much older and is, with good reason, more scared of voting in person because they might get infected.

I've maintained for months, even years, that because Trump's win in 2016 was a fluke, recreating it would be difficult, especially when he has not used the office to expand his base, as all other presidents have done. If he "wins," it'll be because the Democrat vote doesn't turn out—unlikely, if 2018 is a measure of enthusiasm—or fraudulent means. Which is a legit serious worry.

But, yeah, Biden is awful, but I'm not sure it's hyperbolic to suggest that if he doesn't win, Americans won't be having presidential elections going forward. Sitting this one out doesn't make sense to me.
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I know plenty of older conservative types who are not afraid to go and vote. They truly dont believe it is a serious risk.

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I'm not voting for Biden; I'm voting for Harris.

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Mimi wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 11:00am
I'm not voting for Biden; I'm voting for Harris.
Same. And I'm voting for SCOTUS.
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Mimi wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 11:00am
I'm not voting for Biden; I'm voting for Harris.
I'm voting to shut down Trump.
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Living in a red state, they are doing all they can to suppress the vote. They have made it very confusing to differentiate between mail in and absentee ballots. Only those who are at greater risk for COVID or are permanently disabled can submit an absentee ballot without notarization. All mail in ballots must be notarized. I co-spearheaded an effort to notarize ballots for our August primary and we notarized over 500 ballots. But it's a total shitshow and we shouldn't have to go to these lengths.
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JennyB wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 11:46am
Living in a red state, they are doing all they can to suppress the vote. They have made it very confusing to differentiate between mail in and absentee ballots. Only those who are at greater risk for COVID or are permanently disabled can submit an absentee ballot without notarization. All mail in ballots must be notarized. I co-spearheaded an effort to notarize ballots for our August primary and we notarized over 500 ballots. But it's a total shitshow and we shouldn't have to go to these lengths.
Sounds like you are fighting the good fight, JB. That's awesome. That's insane though that they are requiring notarization.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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JennyB wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 11:46am
Living in a red state, they are doing all they can to suppress the vote. They have made it very confusing to differentiate between mail in and absentee ballots. Only those who are at greater risk for COVID or are permanently disabled can submit an absentee ballot without notarization. All mail in ballots must be notarized. I co-spearheaded an effort to notarize ballots for our August primary and we notarized over 500 ballots. But it's a total shitshow and we shouldn't have to go to these lengths.
Same in Wisconsin, especially because they know we're a key swing state.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 10:10am
But, yeah, Biden is awful, but I'm not sure it's hyperbolic to suggest that if he doesn't win, Americans won't be having presidential elections going forward. Sitting this one out doesn't make sense to me.
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Flex wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 12:42pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 10:10am
But, yeah, Biden is awful, but I'm not sure it's hyperbolic to suggest that if he doesn't win, Americans won't be having presidential elections going forward. Sitting this one out doesn't make sense to me.
golden opportunity if you're an accelerationist tho
That kind of rationale strikes me as the kissing cousin of disaster capitalism. If the left isn't more humane, its appeal evaporates.
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matedog wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 12:02pm
JennyB wrote:
14 Sep 2020, 11:46am
Living in a red state, they are doing all they can to suppress the vote. They have made it very confusing to differentiate between mail in and absentee ballots. Only those who are at greater risk for COVID or are permanently disabled can submit an absentee ballot without notarization. All mail in ballots must be notarized. I co-spearheaded an effort to notarize ballots for our August primary and we notarized over 500 ballots. But it's a total shitshow and we shouldn't have to go to these lengths.
Sounds like you are fighting the good fight, JB. That's awesome. That's insane though that they are requiring notarization.
Yep. Totally insane. Even though it's free of charge, I still feel like it's a poll tax. And making people find a notary during a pandemic - it's astonishing.
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America is just too stupid to survive.

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