Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Posted here before. It's beyond awful.
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Mick Jones more working class than Paul Simonon is debatable.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 9:09pmMy point is that Bernie would hardly hold any sort of moral high ground over Copeland in such a hypothetical situation. It’s pretty ironic how Mick Jones was the most working class of that lot yet still got sacked in the name of “keeping it real”. The unfortunate sad reality is that many of our rock heroes growing up were flawed in. Punk Rock being no exception. I mean fuck. Who would’ve thought John Lyndon would wind up being a Trump supporter? Not to mention Elvis Costello dropping the N-Bomb.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 6:18pmBernie Rhodes is indeed a nasty bitter old man. Was he racist when he managed The Clash? Anyway that doesn't seem to bother you with Metallica. Hetfield is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑01 Apr 2021, 4:07amIdk they were managed by a completely racist cuntbag in one Bernard Rhoades. Also had a lead singer who’s father was an esteemed British diplomat. I love the clash and think that their music has many positive messages, but they were as BS ridden as any other rock group out there I’m afraid.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑31 Mar 2021, 6:22pmAs to Stewart Copeland, the Clash could never possibly have had the son of the head of the CIA for the Middle East in the group! Mick chose Pete Howard and thinks he’s a good drummer, but Topper had a lot more effect musically than most drummers.
It's Lydon not Lyndon. Trump is a piece of crap but politics are for individual choice. It's disappointing to me that John showed support for Trump.
Costello in his own words “Never mind excuses, there are no excuses.”
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
"I don't think the eventual replacement the band chose for their 1982 US tour, former drummer Terry Chimes, was the adequate choice, though."... I think exactly the opposite, points of view
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Really? Who would you have chosen at such short notice and being someone who knew the band well and how they operated.
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Typo my bad. I’ve often wondered if it was done for pure shock value or if he genuinely supports Trump. I’m afraid of getting old...Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 4:50amMick Jones more working class than Paul Simonon is debatable.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 9:09pmMy point is that Bernie would hardly hold any sort of moral high ground over Copeland in such a hypothetical situation. It’s pretty ironic how Mick Jones was the most working class of that lot yet still got sacked in the name of “keeping it real”. The unfortunate sad reality is that many of our rock heroes growing up were flawed in. Punk Rock being no exception. I mean fuck. Who would’ve thought John Lyndon would wind up being a Trump supporter? Not to mention Elvis Costello dropping the N-Bomb.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 6:18pmBernie Rhodes is indeed a nasty bitter old man. Was he racist when he managed The Clash? Anyway that doesn't seem to bother you with Metallica. Hetfield is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑01 Apr 2021, 4:07amIdk they were managed by a completely racist cuntbag in one Bernard Rhoades. Also had a lead singer who’s father was an esteemed British diplomat. I love the clash and think that their music has many positive messages, but they were as BS ridden as any other rock group out there I’m afraid.TeddyB Not Logged In wrote: ↑31 Mar 2021, 6:22pmAs to Stewart Copeland, the Clash could never possibly have had the son of the head of the CIA for the Middle East in the group! Mick chose Pete Howard and thinks he’s a good drummer, but Topper had a lot more effect musically than most drummers.
It's Lydon not Lyndon. Trump is a piece of crap but politics are for individual choice. It's disappointing to me that John showed support for Trump.
Costello in his own words “Never mind excuses, there are no excuses.”
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Never be afraid of aging mate. We might get a little wiser, we might get a bit more stupid.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 6:32amTypo my bad. I’ve often wondered if it was done for pure shock value or if he genuinely supports Trump. I’m afraid of getting old...Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 4:50amMick Jones more working class than Paul Simonon is debatable.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 9:09pmMy point is that Bernie would hardly hold any sort of moral high ground over Copeland in such a hypothetical situation. It’s pretty ironic how Mick Jones was the most working class of that lot yet still got sacked in the name of “keeping it real”. The unfortunate sad reality is that many of our rock heroes growing up were flawed in. Punk Rock being no exception. I mean fuck. Who would’ve thought John Lyndon would wind up being a Trump supporter? Not to mention Elvis Costello dropping the N-Bomb.Marky Dread wrote: ↑02 Apr 2021, 6:18pmBernie Rhodes is indeed a nasty bitter old man. Was he racist when he managed The Clash? Anyway that doesn't seem to bother you with Metallica. Hetfield is racist, homophobic, and xenophobic.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑01 Apr 2021, 4:07am
Idk they were managed by a completely racist cuntbag in one Bernard Rhoades. Also had a lead singer who’s father was an esteemed British diplomat. I love the clash and think that their music has many positive messages, but they were as BS ridden as any other rock group out there I’m afraid.
It's Lydon not Lyndon. Trump is a piece of crap but politics are for individual choice. It's disappointing to me that John showed support for Trump.
Costello in his own words “Never mind excuses, there are no excuses.”
At first I thought it was his contrariness. However I think he believed in Trump because Trump was being derided and he felt a kind of dumb kinship as an outsider (if that makes sense). You know like Trump wasn't a politician and Lydon wasn't a musician. I found the whole thing depressing and I really hope John has some regrets. Writing a song about the Berlin wall then defending a man who wanted to build a wall denying freedom of movement really sucked.
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Precisely for me it was the right choice and I would have kept it permanently. Terry Chimes is often underestimated.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 6:29amReally? Who would you have chosen at such short notice and being someone who knew the band well and how they operated.
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Re: Who could have been an adequate substitute to Topper?
Ahh yes I misread what you said. I agree Terry did well.Red Angel wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 8:51amPrecisely for me it was the right choice and I would have kept it permanently. Terry Chimes is often underestimated.Marky Dread wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 6:29amReally? Who would you have chosen at such short notice and being someone who knew the band well and how they operated.
Forces have been looting
My humanity
Curfews have been curbing
The end of liberty
We're the flowers in the dustbin...
No fuchsias for you.
"Without the common people you're nothing"
Nos Sumus Una Familia