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The Clash would have done a full reunion had Joe never died? It's pretty much agreed upon that they would have played the RNR hall ceremony, perhaps without Paul though. After hearing the demoes that Mick and Joe made together I'm thinking we probably would have gotten at least one album/one tour out of it.
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Yes, I think the stars were aligning at last. I'm obviously still gutted about Joe dying but I'm glad it never happened.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Gut feeling tells me it would never have happened. Paul never seemed set on it and i never thought they'd have gone ahead without him and have a feeling they'd have found something else to argue about as well. Gut feeling is all it is, though.
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Yes. I don't think post-1988 Mick had the vocal power to do justice to the Clash stuff. And reunions are usually just crap in general.
There's a tiny, tiny hopeful part of me that says you guys are running a Kaufmanesque long con on the board
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Very much this. Talent rarely overwhelms context and circumstance, contrary to romantic myth. So much of what makes the special groups special is that they arrived at the right time—the composition of their audience, the mood of the country, the age and needs of the band members, all that. Which is why so many reunions, intended or not, end up as nostalgia exercises—a longing for a lost time.Heston wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:29pmYes. I don't think post-1988 Mick had the vocal power to do justice to the Clash stuff. And reunions are usually just crap in general.
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Very interesting theory. I feel like they could have probably done a few one off gigs here and there but you're honestly right... anything more would have completely destroyed the mystique of the Clash. What do you think of existing bands playing albums in full? I.e. the Manics playing the Holy Bible in full 20 some odd years later and about 50 pounds heavier...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:51pmVery much this. Talent rarely overwhelms context and circumstance, contrary to romantic myth. So much of what makes the special groups special is that they arrived at the right time—the composition of their audience, the mood of the country, the age and needs of the band members, all that. Which is why so many reunions, intended or not, end up as nostalgia exercises—a longing for a lost time.Heston wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:29pmYes. I don't think post-1988 Mick had the vocal power to do justice to the Clash stuff. And reunions are usually just crap in general.
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Wire, who have pulled off the late-in-life reunion better than most, did that for Pink Flag around 17 years ago. It's okay, I suppose—it has more bite than the studio record—but it isn't a gem in their catalogue (even their live catalogue). It's a thing they did and that's about it.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 3:05pmVery interesting theory. I feel like they could have probably done a few one off gigs here and there but you're honestly right... anything more would have completely destroyed the mystique of the Clash. What do you think of existing bands playing albums in full? I.e. the Manics playing the Holy Bible in full 20 some odd years later and about 50 pounds heavier...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:51pmVery much this. Talent rarely overwhelms context and circumstance, contrary to romantic myth. So much of what makes the special groups special is that they arrived at the right time—the composition of their audience, the mood of the country, the age and needs of the band members, all that. Which is why so many reunions, intended or not, end up as nostalgia exercises—a longing for a lost time.Heston wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:29pmYes. I don't think post-1988 Mick had the vocal power to do justice to the Clash stuff. And reunions are usually just crap in general.
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I tend to think of Wire as a band who just breaks up and gets back together every once in awhile, as opposed to reuniting in the traditional sense. Sometimes they are in the same room and sometimes not, but the Wire force is constant.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 3:13pmWire, who have pulled off the late-in-life reunion better than most, did that for Pink Flag around 17 years ago. It's okay, I suppose—it has more bite than the studio record—but it isn't a gem in their catalogue (even their live catalogue). It's a thing they did and that's about it.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 3:05pmVery interesting theory. I feel like they could have probably done a few one off gigs here and there but you're honestly right... anything more would have completely destroyed the mystique of the Clash. What do you think of existing bands playing albums in full? I.e. the Manics playing the Holy Bible in full 20 some odd years later and about 50 pounds heavier...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:51pmVery much this. Talent rarely overwhelms context and circumstance, contrary to romantic myth. So much of what makes the special groups special is that they arrived at the right time—the composition of their audience, the mood of the country, the age and needs of the band members, all that. Which is why so many reunions, intended or not, end up as nostalgia exercises—a longing for a lost time.
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The first time, sure, but the second time was a huge shock for me. After all, Grey had quit after Manscape. That they kept going after Gilbert quit was perhaps even more shocking (as I understand it, Gilbert was stunned that they would carry on without him).Kory wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 5:05pmI tend to think of Wire as a band who just breaks up and gets back together every once in awhile, as opposed to reuniting in the traditional sense. Sometimes they are in the same room and sometimes not, but the Wire force is constant.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 3:13pmWire, who have pulled off the late-in-life reunion better than most, did that for Pink Flag around 17 years ago. It's okay, I suppose—it has more bite than the studio record—but it isn't a gem in their catalogue (even their live catalogue). It's a thing they did and that's about it.RockNRollWhore wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 3:05pmVery interesting theory. I feel like they could have probably done a few one off gigs here and there but you're honestly right... anything more would have completely destroyed the mystique of the Clash. What do you think of existing bands playing albums in full? I.e. the Manics playing the Holy Bible in full 20 some odd years later and about 50 pounds heavier...Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 2:51pmVery much this. Talent rarely overwhelms context and circumstance, contrary to romantic myth. So much of what makes the special groups special is that they arrived at the right time—the composition of their audience, the mood of the country, the age and needs of the band members, all that. Which is why so many reunions, intended or not, end up as nostalgia exercises—a longing for a lost time.
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Hello,
Mission of Burma might be an exception to that rule about reunion not producing quality new material and just being a nostalgia run. I sometimes think they were a restart rather than a reunion - and they actually began their restart opening for Wire (some of the more Wire-conscious people may correct me about that).
Mission of Burma might be an exception to that rule about reunion not producing quality new material and just being a nostalgia run. I sometimes think they were a restart rather than a reunion - and they actually began their restart opening for Wire (some of the more Wire-conscious people may correct me about that).
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MoB is a definite rarity/exception to the reunion rule.gkbill wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 5:47pmHello,
Mission of Burma might be an exception to that rule about reunion not producing quality new material and just being a nostalgia run. I sometimes think they were a restart rather than a reunion - and they actually began their restart opening for Wire (some of the more Wire-conscious people may correct me about that).
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I wonder if that was because they were kind of forced to break up in the first place, and they still had unfinished business.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 6:35pmMoB is a definite rarity/exception to the reunion rule.gkbill wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 5:47pmHello,
Mission of Burma might be an exception to that rule about reunion not producing quality new material and just being a nostalgia run. I sometimes think they were a restart rather than a reunion - and they actually began their restart opening for Wire (some of the more Wire-conscious people may correct me about that).
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Yeah, I thought about adding the oddity for quitting/suspending operations wasn't the usual ego/money crapola.Wolter wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 7:27pmI wonder if that was because they were kind of forced to break up in the first place, and they still had unfinished business.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 6:35pmMoB is a definite rarity/exception to the reunion rule.gkbill wrote: ↑03 Apr 2021, 5:47pmHello,
Mission of Burma might be an exception to that rule about reunion not producing quality new material and just being a nostalgia run. I sometimes think they were a restart rather than a reunion - and they actually began their restart opening for Wire (some of the more Wire-conscious people may correct me about that).
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