Is it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?River wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:31pmI still can't figure that damn hi-hat out.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:21pmI sat with the drummer in my band on Friday night listening to this song and discussed that very thing. It is insanely good.KCportland wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:17pmIf you want to stump your drummer friends, give them a pair of headphones and ask them to play along with Topper on Red Angel Dragnet. No where does he earn the "human drum machine" title more than on that.
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The whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pmIs it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?River wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:31pmI still can't figure that damn hi-hat out.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:21pmI sat with the drummer in my band on Friday night listening to this song and discussed that very thing. It is insanely good.KCportland wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:17pmIf you want to stump your drummer friends, give them a pair of headphones and ask them to play along with Topper on Red Angel Dragnet. No where does he earn the "human drum machine" title more than on that.
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I'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:55pmThe whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pmIs it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?River wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:31pmI still can't figure that damn hi-hat out.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:21pmI sat with the drummer in my band on Friday night listening to this song and discussed that very thing. It is insanely good.KCportland wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:17pmIf you want to stump your drummer friends, give them a pair of headphones and ask them to play along with Topper on Red Angel Dragnet. No where does he earn the "human drum machine" title more than on that.
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Quite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:05pmI'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:55pmThe whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pmIs it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?
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I'll upload them in 2082.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:07pmQuite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:05pmI'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:55pmThe whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pmIs it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?
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Centenary RockMarky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:08pmI'll upload them in 2082.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:07pmQuite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:05pmI'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:55pmThe whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pm
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100 years war.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:14pmCentenary RockMarky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:08pmI'll upload them in 2082.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:07pmQuite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:05pmI'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.
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It sounds to me like a single track/take. He does this interesting kinda double drag (I think that's the drum rudiment term, i'm rusty on those). It's very unorthodox and would require a bit of practice, but it's not otherworldly.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:07pmQuite possible but Topper was very skilled as we know. We need the stems.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:05pmI'm sure Tops was more than clever enough to play those accentuated hi-hats but it may just be different track. Mick may have got Tops to play them separately.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:55pmThe whole pattern is just damn weird. I've air-drummed along with it a few times trying to catch all the accents and it is mighty tricky.Marky Dread wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 7:36pmIs it possible that the hi-hat was a separate track to the main drum track to get that feel?
Straight to Hell is the one I think has to be more than one drum track.
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This is pretty much it:
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Also, I think Red Angel Dragnet is on par with Dictator as one of the worst things they ever did. Nothing on the first five albums comes close to being as shockingly bad as RAD. Yeah the drums are great, but the choices made throughout are just bafflingly awful. Paul sounds ridiculous basically doing a spoken word rant about New York or something and Kosmo doing a stupid Taxi Driver impression when they probably could have gotten their buddy Scorcese to buy off on the actual sample. And when listening to this great new Rat Patrol, I forgot how long the Taxi Driver bit goes on for. There's a Joe/Mick part that is kind of a chorus but does not remotely redeem the track. It's barely there. At least Dictator has Joe singing.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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I quite like RAD... It fits better on Rat Patrol than on CR, anyway. I think
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Having obviously not visited New York City in the early 80s, Rat Patrol really sounds a bit like aural psychotourism of that time and place.
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I always assumed the vocals were more of a joke, a sort of gonzo, beat-poet parody thing that was intended to be strange. For me it works, but I am somewhat relieved when it gets to the "who shot the shot" part. Micks guitar on it is pretty strange too, maybe one of the only times he used tremolo?matedog wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 9:03pmAlso, I think Red Angel Dragnet is on par with Dictator as one of the worst things they ever did. Nothing on the first five albums comes close to being as shockingly bad as RAD. Yeah the drums are great, but the choices made throughout are just bafflingly awful. Paul sounds ridiculous basically doing a spoken word rant about New York or something and Kosmo doing a stupid Taxi Driver impression when they probably could have gotten their buddy Scorcese to buy off on the actual sample. And when listening to this great new Rat Patrol, I forgot how long the Taxi Driver bit goes on for. There's a Joe/Mick part that is kind of a chorus but does not remotely redeem the track. It's barely there. At least Dictator has Joe singing.
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Your answer is in the acronym.matedog wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 6:56pmFor real. Not sure why RAD was always in every iteration of this album.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 6:50pmWhat's a producer's job, if not to say: don't let your publicist do a shit impersonation of a film from six years ago for this album that we want to see go top ten? Or, why don't we replace these Paul vocals with something from a singer, any singer?matedog wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 6:47pmIn fairness, he did take over a minute off of Red Angel Dragnet. We lost more of the sound collage portion of Inoculated sure.Silent Majority wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 6:24pm"Better make Inoculated City shorter and worse! There needs to be room for Red Angel Dragnet! I'm very successful!"
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Yeah, it must just be a pun.Heston wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:31amProbably a play on words?WestwayKid wrote: ↑18 May 2021, 8:30amI've always assumed the title came from the 1960's TV show The Rat Patrol. Interesting that it would be Fort Brag. I also always assumed it was named after the North Carolina military base.Marky Dread wrote: ↑17 May 2021, 8:08pmThanks River appreciated. Also "The" Rat Patrol.