The Mighty Musical Observations Thread

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revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:46am
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The future continues to look bleak.
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:51am
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:46am
https://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158

The future continues to look bleak.
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.

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revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:51am
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:46am
https://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158

The future continues to look bleak.
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
"And so he says to me, 'You wanna be a bad guy?' And I say, 'Yeah, baby! I wanna be bad!' And I says, 'Surf's up, space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps!'" - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address (early draft)

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:51am
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:46am
https://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158

The future continues to look bleak.
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
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Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:51am
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:46am
https://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158

The future continues to look bleak.
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
"And so he says to me, 'You wanna be a bad guy?' And I say, 'Yeah, baby! I wanna be bad!' And I says, 'Surf's up, space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps!'" - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address (early draft)

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 10:51am


We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
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Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
revbob wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm


I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
"And so he says to me, 'You wanna be a bad guy?' And I say, 'Yeah, baby! I wanna be bad!' And I says, 'Surf's up, space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps!'" - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address (early draft)

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm


As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
I'm a big Autechre fan but a lot of their recent music has been generative. A fun experiment for an ep or two maybe, it's started to lose some of its luster for me.
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Heston wrote:
04 Jan 2022, 8:04pm
BitterTom wrote:
04 Jan 2022, 4:06pm
Dancing Queen aside, I reckon this song beats any ABBA track you can throw at it.
"That's Me" by ABBA is still better though.
One I'm not too familiar with, just had it on a couple of times and can happily say I'm a fan, classic ABBA chord progression but those keys remind me of a run down seaside fairground. Not so much a criticism, more an observation.

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BitterTom wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:43pm
Heston wrote:
04 Jan 2022, 8:04pm
BitterTom wrote:
04 Jan 2022, 4:06pm
Dancing Queen aside, I reckon this song beats any ABBA track you can throw at it.
"That's Me" by ABBA is still better though.
One I'm not too familiar with, just had it on a couple of times and can happily say I'm a fan, classic ABBA chord progression but those keys remind me of a run down seaside fairground. Not so much a criticism, more an observation.
Check out "Tiger" from the same album. Monster of a track and should have been a single.
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Kory wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:27pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm


Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
I'm a big Autechre fan but a lot of their recent music has been generative. A fun experiment for an ep or two maybe, it's started to lose some of its luster for me.
Eno released something a few years back but the exact nature eludes me. It was an album of pure randomness or some kind of software that let you alter his basic piece. Again, a fun experiment but limited, imo.
"And so he says to me, 'You wanna be a bad guy?' And I say, 'Yeah, baby! I wanna be bad!' And I says, 'Surf's up, space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps!'" - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address (early draft)

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm


As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
Neither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.😉
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Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:36pm


Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
Neither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.😉
Sure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.
"And so he says to me, 'You wanna be a bad guy?' And I say, 'Yeah, baby! I wanna be bad!' And I says, 'Surf's up, space ponies, I'm making gravy without the lumps!'" - Abraham Lincoln, Gettysburg Address (early draft)

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 4:14pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm


By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
Neither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.😉
Sure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.
It's odd but then a human invented the computer so maybe it will evolve. Who knows?
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Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 4:45pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 4:14pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 3:50pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:02pm
Marky Dread wrote:
05 Jan 2022, 2:01pm


Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.
I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.
Neither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.😉
Sure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.
It's odd but then a human invented the computer so maybe it will evolve. Who knows?
Its nice you're being so optimistic.

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