We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:46amhttps://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158
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The Mighty Musical Observations Thread
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I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:51amWe already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:46amhttps://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158
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As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 12:33pmI could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:51amWe already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:46amhttps://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158
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Kraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pmAs I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 12:33pmI could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:51amWe already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:46amhttps://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158
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By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:36pmKraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pmAs I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 12:33pmI could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:51amWe already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:46amhttps://www.cnet.com/features/could-ai- ... 1341135158
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Sure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:36pmKraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pmAs I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 12:33pmI could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 10:51am
We already exist in a world with generic music created for commercials and the like—working a formula to produce a desired response. It's created by humans, but it's not creation in the way we like to think. More true AI-created stuff would replace those drudges—making it all more efficient—and would, I'd like to think, make us esteem sincere human artistry all the more.
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I wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:36pmKraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pmAs I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.revbob wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 12:33pm
I could easily see this replacing a large amount of pop music, Biebers, Perrys, Swifts etc. They are one step removed from that already, or even a lot of these people switching to this format and phoning in some vocals for lyrics the AI created. I probably wouldn't know the difference. I certainly wouldn't choose to listen to either. And how much of the market/profit comes from music like this already? The problem is how much this type of shit continues to push people who want to create music away from this field as it contines to be less profitable/rewarding.
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I'm a big Autechre fan but a lot of their recent music has been generative. A fun experiment for an ep or two maybe, it's started to lose some of its luster for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:36pmKraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
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One I'm not too familiar with, just had it on a couple of times and can happily say I'm a fan, classic ABBA chord progression but those keys remind me of a run down seaside fairground. Not so much a criticism, more an observation.
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Check out "Tiger" from the same album. Monster of a track and should have been a single.
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Eno released something a few years back but the exact nature eludes me. It was an album of pure randomness or some kind of software that let you alter his basic piece. Again, a fun experiment but limited, imo.Kory wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:27pmI'm a big Autechre fan but a lot of their recent music has been generative. A fun experiment for an ep or two maybe, it's started to lose some of its luster for me.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
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Neither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:36pmKraftwerk have been doing this for years.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:04pm
As I said, I see AI as more of an efficiency change than a revolution that eliminates human beings from creating music. Admittedly, it comes from my jaundiced view of contemporary pop music and the pervasiveness of muzak in commercials and the like. So much of techno (broadly speaking) sounds fully computer generated, appreciated only if you've got a head full of substance. If people like that, well, bless their heart.
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Sure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 3:50pmNeither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pmBy computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
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It's odd but then a human invented the computer so maybe it will evolve. Who knows?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 4:14pmSure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 3:50pmNeither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:01pmSure thing it's just the inevitable next step.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 1:41pm
By computer generated, I meant along the lines of AI, without human initiative.
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Its nice you're being so optimistic.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 4:45pmIt's odd but then a human invented the computer so maybe it will evolve. Who knows?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 4:14pmSure, a computer could come up with something quite listenable—formula emerges because its what people reliably enjoy, whether music, movie, or any other form of art—but actual creativity that defies expectations? I'm very skeptical.Marky Dread wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 3:50pmNeither would I. I think it's genius. But then a computer might just come up with something great. I mean just like Kraftwerk the software the computer requires will have to be based upon on a structure so be it Beethoven or Buzzcocks it should be capable of producing something of worth. Unless it's KISS obviously.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 2:02pmI wouldn't reduce Kraftwerk to mindless formula, tho. That's what AI would do.