KISS vs. Swans: The Poll
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Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll
Can I freeze the banana?
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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll
Ehhh, to be fair, Gira has had some serious issues with women.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Can I freeze KISS?
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If you mean the rape allegation, that ended up being murky. She said rape, he said consensual but misinterpreted on his part. I initially leaned to her side until her bandmates came forward and said she had a history of making false allegations, and then nobody else came forward to accuse Gira of similar misconduct (as often happens). And when Gira's wife claimed to have text messages that indicated the accuser was making things up, the accuser quietly withdrew from discussion. It's far from conclusive, but it moved the needle enough for me.
That said, Gira hasn't hidden his demons and abusive behaviour towards those close to him. There's a track on his album Drainland, "You See Through Me," that contains a hidden recording made by his musical and romantic partner at the time, Jarboe, confronting him about his parasitical behaviour. The guy was a shithead but he didn't shy away from acknowledging it, and has worked to be better.
But between that and the nature of his lyrics and writing (mainly in the 80s), he does invite suspicion.
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Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
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Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.Olaf wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 3:22pmGotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
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Don't they always?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 3:28pmI think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
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The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.revbob wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:06pmDon't they always?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 3:28pmI think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
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Much like the late Rev. Paisley.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:11pmThe man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
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The awful connection emerges …revbob wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:12pmMuch like the late Rev. Paisley.
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I actually retract that statement I have way too much respect for brother Hes. Paisley was a right POS.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:14pmThe awful connection emerges …revbob wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:12pmMuch like the late Rev. Paisley.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:11pmThe man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.revbob wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:06pmDon't they always?Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
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You're right. Apologies to Heston for our misplaced and unjustified jest.revbob wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 6:25pmI actually retract that statement I have way too much respect for brother Hes. Paisley was a right POS.
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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll
I forgot about the follow ups on the Gira thing. But yeah, this seems like a not unreasonable take.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑05 Aug 2022, 3:15pmIf you mean the rape allegation, that ended up being murky. She said rape, he said consensual but misinterpreted on his part. I initially leaned to her side until her bandmates came forward and said she had a history of making false allegations, and then nobody else came forward to accuse Gira of similar misconduct (as often happens). And when Gira's wife claimed to have text messages that indicated the accuser was making things up, the accuser quietly withdrew from discussion. It's far from conclusive, but it moved the needle enough for me.
That said, Gira hasn't hidden his demons and abusive behaviour towards those close to him. There's a track on his album Drainland, "You See Through Me," that contains a hidden recording made by his musical and romantic partner at the time, Jarboe, confronting him about his parasitical behaviour. The guy was a shithead but he didn't shy away from acknowledging it, and has worked to be better.
But between that and the nature of his lyrics and writing (mainly in the 80s), he does invite suspicion.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.