KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Simple question: Which is the better band?

KISS
5
50%
Swans
5
50%
 
Total votes: 10

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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Who pfaffed the pfaff? Who got pfaffed tonight?

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Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:16pm
Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Can I freeze the banana?
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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JennyB wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:07pm
As a woman, KISS makes me ill. Also, their music stinks.

Swans all the way.
Ehhh, to be fair, Gira has had some serious issues with women.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:30pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:16pm
Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Can I freeze the banana?
Can I freeze KISS?
Who pfaffed the pfaff? Who got pfaffed tonight?

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matedog wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:57pm
JennyB wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:07pm
As a woman, KISS makes me ill. Also, their music stinks.

Swans all the way.
Ehhh, to be fair, Gira has had some serious issues with women.
If you mean the rape allegation, that ended up being murky. She said rape, he said consensual but misinterpreted on his part. I initially leaned to her side until her bandmates came forward and said she had a history of making false allegations, and then nobody else came forward to accuse Gira of similar misconduct (as often happens). And when Gira's wife claimed to have text messages that indicated the accuser was making things up, the accuser quietly withdrew from discussion. It's far from conclusive, but it moved the needle enough for me.

That said, Gira hasn't hidden his demons and abusive behaviour towards those close to him. There's a track on his album Drainland, "You See Through Me," that contains a hidden recording made by his musical and romantic partner at the time, Jarboe, confronting him about his parasitical behaviour. The guy was a shithead but he didn't shy away from acknowledging it, and has worked to be better.

But between that and the nature of his lyrics and writing (mainly in the 80s), he does invite suspicion.
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:30pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:16pm
Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Can I freeze the banana?
Can I freeze KISS?
Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:16pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:30pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:16pm
Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Can I freeze the banana?
Can I freeze KISS?
Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
Who pfaffed the pfaff? Who got pfaffed tonight?

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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:22pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:16pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:30pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:16pm
Simple question: What would you use to put a nail in the wall? A banana or a Dante poem?
Can I freeze the banana?
Can I freeze KISS?
Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:22pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:16pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:04pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:30pm


Can I freeze the banana?
Can I freeze KISS?
Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
Don't they always?

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revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:06pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:22pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:16pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:04pm


Can I freeze KISS?
Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
Don't they always?
The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Re: KISS vs. Swans: The Poll

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:11pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:06pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:22pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:16pm


Sure! As long as they aren't thawed down the road.
Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
Don't they always?
The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
Much like the late Rev. Paisley. :shifty:

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revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:11pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:06pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm
Olaf wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:22pm

Gotta vote KISS then, I guess. Thanks for your help.
I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
Don't they always?
The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
Much like the late Rev. Paisley. :shifty:
The awful connection emerges …
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:14pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:11pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:06pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:28pm


I think it's fair that the confusing and perhaps crazy votes go to Heston's side.
Don't they always?
The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
Much like the late Rev. Paisley. :shifty:
The awful connection emerges …
I actually retract that statement I have way too much respect for brother Hes. Paisley was a right POS.

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revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:25pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:14pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:12pm
Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:11pm
revbob wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 6:06pm


Don't they always?
The man has a constituency and serves it extremely well.
Much like the late Rev. Paisley. :shifty:
The awful connection emerges …
I actually retract that statement I have way too much respect for brother Hes. Paisley was a right POS.
You're right. Apologies to Heston for our misplaced and unjustified jest.
"And I said, 'I ate hot-buttered corn all night.' Anyway, about the Soviet Union." - Winston Churchill, "Iron Curtain" speech, 5 March 1946

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Dr. Medulla wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 3:15pm
matedog wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:57pm
JennyB wrote:
05 Aug 2022, 2:07pm
As a woman, KISS makes me ill. Also, their music stinks.

Swans all the way.
Ehhh, to be fair, Gira has had some serious issues with women.
If you mean the rape allegation, that ended up being murky. She said rape, he said consensual but misinterpreted on his part. I initially leaned to her side until her bandmates came forward and said she had a history of making false allegations, and then nobody else came forward to accuse Gira of similar misconduct (as often happens). And when Gira's wife claimed to have text messages that indicated the accuser was making things up, the accuser quietly withdrew from discussion. It's far from conclusive, but it moved the needle enough for me.

That said, Gira hasn't hidden his demons and abusive behaviour towards those close to him. There's a track on his album Drainland, "You See Through Me," that contains a hidden recording made by his musical and romantic partner at the time, Jarboe, confronting him about his parasitical behaviour. The guy was a shithead but he didn't shy away from acknowledging it, and has worked to be better.

But between that and the nature of his lyrics and writing (mainly in the 80s), he does invite suspicion.
I forgot about the follow ups on the Gira thing. But yeah, this seems like a not unreasonable take.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.

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