I just checked the relevant passage in Ralphs and Mark's book and seems it may have been Kosmo who laid the seed for it Munich by suggesting they go away and do something together as a group and Joe and Nick then developed that into the busking tour. So not really Bernie at all when it comes down to it, at least initially!Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:28amI think it maybe put forward by Bernie but it still took the band to put in the leg work and take on the idea. But really busking wasn't anything new to Joe.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18amGood post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour? Not that it really matters that much and could never make up for the bucket of shit he threw over so much else, just to acknowledge he did come up with the occasional decent notion every now and then. Agree entirely on the mescaleroes, thought they did some of them really well but the fewer the better was how i always saw it.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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Sure I don't think it's that important whose idea it was. Just that it was a good idea regards team work building. Which after the Munich recordings must've been at an all time low.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 6:01amI just checked the relevant passage in Ralphs and Mark's book and seems it may have been Kosmo who laid the seed for it Munich by suggesting they go away and do something together as a group and Joe and Nick then developed that into the busking tour. So not really Bernie at all when it comes down to it, at least initially!Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:28amI think it maybe put forward by Bernie but it still took the band to put in the leg work and take on the idea. But really busking wasn't anything new to Joe.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18amGood post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour? Not that it really matters that much and could never make up for the bucket of shit he threw over so much else, just to acknowledge he did come up with the occasional decent notion every now and then. Agree entirely on the mescaleroes, thought they did some of them really well but the fewer the better was how i always saw it.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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I don't know reallyLow Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18amGood post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour?
But as MD said busking wasn't something new to Joe
+ it fit very well to the idea of back to the roots stuff
Joe should (ok it's very easy to write this years after my ass on a sit and typing on my keyboard... ) have spent all that energy creating something new
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True, it's no elevator bell, that's for sureMarky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 6:42amSure I don't think it's that important whose idea it was. Just that it was a good idea regards team work building. Which after the Munich recordings must've been at an all time low.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 6:01amI just checked the relevant passage in Ralphs and Mark's book and seems it may have been Kosmo who laid the seed for it Munich by suggesting they go away and do something together as a group and Joe and Nick then developed that into the busking tour. So not really Bernie at all when it comes down to it, at least initially!Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:28amI think it maybe put forward by Bernie but it still took the band to put in the leg work and take on the idea. But really busking wasn't anything new to Joe.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18amGood post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour? Not that it really matters that much and could never make up for the bucket of shit he threw over so much else, just to acknowledge he did come up with the occasional decent notion every now and then. Agree entirely on the mescaleroes, thought they did some of them really well but the fewer the better was how i always saw it.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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Ah yeah, was only minor point really and seems i was wrong anyway!bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 8:12amI don't know reallyLow Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18amGood post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour?
But as MD said busking wasn't something new to Joe
+ it fit very well to the idea of back to the roots stuff
Joe should (ok it's very easy to write this years after my ass on a sit and typing on my keyboard... ) have spent all that energy creating something new
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Agreed leather trousers are a no no unless your riding a Motorcycle.... however perhaps the double leather combo was more practical for busking purposes...water proof, wipe clean, etc...Heston wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:47amGood point. I've always had an aversion to leather trousers but the double leathers are even worse.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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Especially if you've got your motorcycle jacket but you're walking all the timemotorsmell wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 9:48amAgreed leather trousers are a no no unless your riding a Motorcycle.... however perhaps the double leather combo was more practical for busking purposes...water proof, wipe clean, etc...Heston wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:47amGood point. I've always had an aversion to leather trousers but the double leathers are even worse.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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Exactly!Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 9:53amEspecially if you've got your motorcycle jacket but you're walking all the timemotorsmell wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 9:48amAgreed leather trousers are a no no unless your riding a Motorcycle.... however perhaps the double leather combo was more practical for busking purposes...water proof, wipe clean, etc...Heston wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:47amGood point. I've always had an aversion to leather trousers but the double leathers are even worse.bazarboy75 wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 4:42amCool footage. Definitly that busking tour was the best idea Joe had at the time
retrospectively this group should have been called differently and that would surely have played in its favor.
Personally I'm not attracted to this incarnation, but it's precisely because of that.
because with joe as a charismatic leader your group is likely to be good if you give it time.
It's like with the mescaleros. I saw them 3 times in concerts and it was getting better and better as they played less and less Clash songs.
On the other hand the look and the haircuts, I understand the idea "to return to pure rock n roll" it does not work at all, it looks more like caricatures
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Nothing dings like that bell.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 8:28amTrue, it's no elevator bell, that's for sureMarky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 6:42amSure I don't think it's that important whose idea it was. Just that it was a good idea regards team work building. Which after the Munich recordings must've been at an all time low.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 6:01amI just checked the relevant passage in Ralphs and Mark's book and seems it may have been Kosmo who laid the seed for it Munich by suggesting they go away and do something together as a group and Joe and Nick then developed that into the busking tour. So not really Bernie at all when it comes down to it, at least initially!Marky Dread wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:28amI think it maybe put forward by Bernie but it still took the band to put in the leg work and take on the idea. But really busking wasn't anything new to Joe.Low Down Low wrote: ↑30 Sep 2022, 5:18am
Good post bb, but just to point out and my memory is fucking awful for details, but wasn't it Bernie who came up with the idea for the tour? Not that it really matters that much and could never make up for the bucket of shit he threw over so much else, just to acknowledge he did come up with the occasional decent notion every now and then. Agree entirely on the mescaleroes, thought they did some of them really well but the fewer the better was how i always saw it.
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We can't even get a full '80 show.
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We did get an abridged greatest hits show without the classic lineup 14 years ago.
Look, you have to establish context for these things. And I maintain that unless you appreciate the Fall of Constantinople, the Great Fire of London, and Mickey Mantle's fatalist alcoholism, live Freddy makes no sense. If you want to half-ass it, fine, go call Simon Schama to do the appendix.
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Fuck, was Shea 14 years ago? Damn...
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I think I listened to it once since I got the CD.
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October 1982. I wish it was 14 years ago.
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Love this