With two years to her seat being up for election, I wonder if Sinema tries to pivot toward the left to save her hide. Otherwise, you have to assume she'll get primaried. Which is to say, how motivated by principle is she versus doing whatever it takes to be re-elected?
The Future of the Republican Party
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"I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back in Whittier, they're not much bigger than two meters.'" - Richard Nixon, Checkers Speech, abandoned early draft
Re: The Future of the Republican Party
Exactly, same thing applies with the truck and boat parades, trucks and boats didn't vote, people did and that's that.WestwayKid wrote: ↑13 Nov 2022, 4:34pmI saw several people questioning how Wisconsin re-elected our Democratic governor because "the map is all red" - I guess showing they don't understand that land doesn't vote.Kory wrote: ↑12 Nov 2022, 3:15pmI find most states to be like this. Even WA is hideously rightwing once you leave Seattle city limits.JennyB wrote: ↑11 Nov 2022, 2:24pmYeah. People who live outside of Colorado don't know just how right wing/libertarian places outside of Denver/Boulder can be.Flex wrote: ↑10 Nov 2022, 7:45pmFor people looking into Colorado from the outside, winning CO-03 as a Dem is basically like when Doug Jones won in Alabama. That took running against an actual pedophile to pull off. Boebert being a vile, useless ethno-nationalist just (almost certainly) isn't enough. But in the newly created right- leaning CO-08 - which encompasses parts of northern Colorado which wanted to cecede from the state a few years ago because Colorado was getting too liberal - the democrat in that race just punched the DeSantis-esque Republican in the mouth (proverbially) - and in CO-07 the democray absolutely ran away with a race people were expecting to at least be close. Just as some context.
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An observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party
Yeah, it has been interesting to watch. Though when I think about it, the pattern tends to be:Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.
1. Something happens
2. Most Republicans respond like normal people
3. Trump responds like a stark raving random conspiracy generator
4. Trump's 30% latch onto a conspiracy or two
5 Republicans have a think and then follow their voters onto the crazy train
I wonder if any of these failed MAGA candidates won't hesitate to renege their concessions in the face of "new evidence" if at any point any of Trump's fraud conspiracies reach a critical mass of acceptance with dimmest 30% of the country. To your point, it's all centered around the guy insane enough to steal nuclear secret in broad daylight.
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That's an interesting point. So if Trump had reacted on Tuesday night by going on Pravda to yell rigged, stolen, fake, maybe his candidates would been emboldened to follow his lead. But he didn't do that because he couldn't bear the thought of being attached in any way to a bunch of losers in his eyes. Funny how his obsessions and neuroses play out.msza2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 12:45pmYeah, it has been interesting to watch. Though when I think about it, the pattern tends to be:Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.
1. Something happens
2. Most Republicans respond like normal people
3. Trump responds like a stark raving random conspiracy generator
4. Trump's 30% latch onto a conspiracy or two
5 Republicans have a think and then follow their voters onto the crazy train
I wonder if any of these failed MAGA candidates won't hesitate to renege their concessions in the face of "new evidence" if at any point any of Trump's fraud conspiracies reach a critical mass of acceptance with dimmest 30% of the country. To your point, it's all centered around the guy insane enough to steal nuclear secret in broad daylight.
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party
Haha. Or perhaps unlike his own race he thought his candidates might actually win so he didn't think he needed to be out there stumping for fraud on election night.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 1:01pmThat's an interesting point. So if Trump had reacted on Tuesday night by going on Pravda to yell rigged, stolen, fake, maybe his candidates would been emboldened to follow his lead. But he didn't do that because he couldn't bear the thought of being attached in any way to a bunch of losers in his eyes. Funny how his obsessions and neuroses play out.msza2 wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 12:45pmYeah, it has been interesting to watch. Though when I think about it, the pattern tends to be:Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.
1. Something happens
2. Most Republicans respond like normal people
3. Trump responds like a stark raving random conspiracy generator
4. Trump's 30% latch onto a conspiracy or two
5 Republicans have a think and then follow their voters onto the crazy train
I wonder if any of these failed MAGA candidates won't hesitate to renege their concessions in the face of "new evidence" if at any point any of Trump's fraud conspiracies reach a critical mass of acceptance with dimmest 30% of the country. To your point, it's all centered around the guy insane enough to steal nuclear secret in broad daylight.
Re: The Future of the Republican Party
Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.
I agree with both Doc & msza2, I was very surprised and pleased as well that the losing red candidates opted to take the high road and concede the races they lost. Call me naive or I'd prefer an optimist, but my hope is that they had seen the negative reactions to "the big lie" and didn't want to add their names to the list of those us rational people despise. By conceding their loses, there's a chance that in the future they could run again without the stain of having been a part of the "big lie".
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To be clear, I don't think they took the high road or saw the light. I think they lacked the conviction or sufficient delusion to see thru the grift to the very end. They're still terrible people because worked a fundamentally anti-democratic angle for a long time and should be dumped into an active volcano.Sparky wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 7:14pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.I agree with both Doc & msza2, I was very surprised and pleased as well that the losing red candidates opted to take the high road and concede the races they lost. Call me naive or I'd prefer an optimist, but my hope is that they had seen the negative reactions to "the big lie" and didn't want to add their names to the list of those us rational people despise. By conceding their loses, there's a chance that in the future they could run again without the stain of having been a part of the "big lie".
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Re: The Future of the Republican Party
I would agree with that as well, I think deep down inside the majority know the big lie is BS, but nobody likes to admit they're wrong. Being able to admit defeat is really a test of character and integrity, I told a local candidate who came knocking at our door that a little while back, he look confused. Unfortunately they don't appear to make big boy pants that fit tRump supporters.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:31pmTo be clear, I don't think they took the high road or saw the light. I think they lacked the conviction or sufficient delusion to see thru the grift to the very end. They're still terrible people because worked a fundamentally anti-democratic angle for a long time and should be dumped into an active volcano.Sparky wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 7:14pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.I agree with both Doc & msza2, I was very surprised and pleased as well that the losing red candidates opted to take the high road and concede the races they lost. Call me naive or I'd prefer an optimist, but my hope is that they had seen the negative reactions to "the big lie" and didn't want to add their names to the list of those us rational people despise. By conceding their loses, there's a chance that in the future they could run again without the stain of having been a part of the "big lie".
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Where you take one step and miss the whole first rung
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I regularly come back to something David Frum (ugh, I know) wrote a few years back: "If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy." That's the test at work.Sparky wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:59pmI would agree with that as well, I think deep down inside the majority know the big lie is BS, but nobody likes to admit they're wrong. Being able to admit defeat is really a test of character and integrity, I told a local candidate who came knocking at our door that a little while back, he look confused. Unfortunately they don't appear to make big boy pants that fit tRump supporters.Dr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:31pmTo be clear, I don't think they took the high road or saw the light. I think they lacked the conviction or sufficient delusion to see thru the grift to the very end. They're still terrible people because worked a fundamentally anti-democratic angle for a long time and should be dumped into an active volcano.Sparky wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 7:14pmDr. Medulla wrote: ↑14 Nov 2022, 8:53amAn observation: I'm a bit surprised at how much the election-deniers have folded in the face of their own losses, when there was a fear that this would be a near-unified narrative—if a Republican lost, it was a stolen election. It's suggestive, I think, of how much the Trump playbook needs the man to make it work. Other people lack the commitment or shamelessness to stick with the con all the way thru. Which is a good thing, of course.I agree with both Doc & msza2, I was very surprised and pleased as well that the losing red candidates opted to take the high road and concede the races they lost. Call me naive or I'd prefer an optimist, but my hope is that they had seen the negative reactions to "the big lie" and didn't want to add their names to the list of those us rational people despise. By conceding their loses, there's a chance that in the future they could run again without the stain of having been a part of the "big lie".
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What is also quite pleasing is that they aren't blaming liberals or the Deep State so much (tho those nasty single women have been cited, providing further evidence of the link between incels and the contemporary right) but instead are turning on each other. It's circular firing squad time, and don't stop shooting until you can't!Mimi wrote: ↑15 Nov 2022, 8:34amI'm so glad she lost.
https://news.yahoo.com/greatest-self-ow ... 12781.html
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Just reading the yahoo news link, looks like KL posted on her Twitter account "Arizona knows BS when they see it", to which someone replied with this:Mimi wrote: ↑15 Nov 2022, 8:34amI'm so glad she lost.
https://news.yahoo.com/greatest-self-ow ... 12781.html
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All over but the crying (and a mandatory recount that won't change the outcome) in CO-3 after the ballot cure and remaining overseas ballots are now tabulated. Ah, well. Fuck of a lot closer than I (or anyone) thought it would be. Will Boebert learn anything? Not likely. Will the seat be competitive again in two years? Who knows, but I'm sure it'll get serious support next time around.
On the upside, Boebert's continued presence more or less keeps trump's presence lashed to the neck of the colorado democratic party.
500-ish vote difference. That's crazy-small for a seat like that.
On the upside, Boebert's continued presence more or less keeps trump's presence lashed to the neck of the colorado democratic party.
500-ish vote difference. That's crazy-small for a seat like that.
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She will treat it as being tested by god and her faith rewarded. And so she will stride forth boldly to demand to see the contents of Hunter Biden's laptop, or any laptop supposedly own by him. And then she will open that laptop and her face will melt off like at the end of Raiders.
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