Lewisham soundboard

[Kory]

The bootleggers don't give a shit about historical record. They only care about lining their own pockets and at a high cost to genuine fans/collectors. The rarer an item appears the more they can fleece people.

Sounds a lot like the used book/comic speculator market.

[Marky Dread]

The bootleggers don't give a shit about historical record. They only care about lining their own pockets and at a high cost to genuine fans/collectors. The rarer an item appears the more they can fleece people.

Sounds a lot like the used book/comic speculator market.

Yeah I can imagine that same process occurring.

[appleseed1]

Nope completely disagree. Peel was the first to play The Clash White Riot on his show. Then many more times on his show and especially on his festive 50s. I think the only time he said anything dismissive about them was when they released Straight to Hell which he didn't care for. But obviously that was years later. Much more to do with that punk stupidity and a dumb dislike of the BBC. I mean why bother to turn up only to walk out. Sounds like they just weren't on it that day. Shame really.

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

[laxman]

Nope completely disagree. Peel was the first to play The Clash White Riot on his show. Then many more times on his show and especially on his festive 50s. I think the only time he said anything dismissive about them was when they released Straight to Hell which he didn't care for. But obviously that was years later. Much more to do with that punk stupidity and a dumb dislike of the BBC. I mean why bother to turn up only to walk out. Sounds like they just weren't on it that day. Shame really.

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

[Low Down Low]

Nope completely disagree. Peel was the first to play The Clash White Riot on his show. Then many more times on his show and especially on his festive 50s. I think the only time he said anything dismissive about them was when they released Straight to Hell which he didn't care for. But obviously that was years later. Much more to do with that punk stupidity and a dumb dislike of the BBC. I mean why bother to turn up only to walk out. Sounds like they just weren't on it that day. Shame really.

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

Edit: just to add if Peel hated sloganeering so much, it's hard to see how he'd be much of a punk fan tbh. Or even of rock music in general come to think of it. Just seems a strange one.

[Marky Dread]

Nope completely disagree. Peel was the first to play The Clash White Riot on his show. Then many more times on his show and especially on his festive 50s. I think the only time he said anything dismissive about them was when they released Straight to Hell which he didn't care for. But obviously that was years later. Much more to do with that punk stupidity and a dumb dislike of the BBC. I mean why bother to turn up only to walk out. Sounds like they just weren't on it that day. Shame really.

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

[Low Down Low]

Nope completely disagree. Peel was the first to play The Clash White Riot on his show. Then many more times on his show and especially on his festive 50s. I think the only time he said anything dismissive about them was when they released Straight to Hell which he didn't care for. But obviously that was years later. Much more to do with that punk stupidity and a dumb dislike of the BBC. I mean why bother to turn up only to walk out. Sounds like they just weren't on it that day. Shame really.

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

[Marky Dread]

Someone shared this on FB a while back. Peel is insulting towards Joe here at 17 minutes. I wasn't old enough to hear Peel's shows, so I don't know if this was his style, but his complaint about Joe is so flimsy that it sounds like there must've been something that had lingered behind his criticism.

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

I would counter that the others you mention do not insult the listener in the same way as KYR. KYR is all assuming we are too dumb to know our rights in the first place. I like the track with its heavy rockabilly feel but the message is somewhat obvious.

[Silent Majority]

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

I would counter that the others you mention do not insult the listener in the same way as KYR. KYR is all assuming we are too dumb to know our rights in the first place. I like the track with its heavy rockabilly feel but the message is somewhat obvious.

We know the band weren't happy with the tone of the song.

[Low Down Low]

I saw that on Facebook too and listened to it. I thought it was actually an enjoyable show. I was a bit surprised by the strength of his digs at Joe, I don’t remember him normally being like that.

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

I would counter that the others you mention do not insult the listener in the same way as KYR. KYR is all assuming we are too dumb to know our rights in the first place. I like the track with its heavy rockabilly feel but the message is somewhat obvious.

That's fair. I like the song too, packs a punch as an album opener, but lyrically it doesn't sit great with how Joe was evolving as a writer at that time, as evidenced by StH, Car Jamming etc. It's about as subtle as a flying mallet, as Dave Edmunds might say.

[Stefano1972]

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

I would counter that the others you mention do not insult the listener in the same way as KYR. KYR is all assuming we are too dumb to know our rights in the first place. I like the track with its heavy rockabilly feel but the message is somewhat obvious.

That's fair. I like the song too, packs a punch as an album opener, but lyrically it doesn't sit great with how Joe was evolving as a writer at that time, as evidenced by StH, Car Jamming etc. It's about as subtle as a flying mallet, as Dave Edmunds might say.

In my opinion KYR is a wonderful political song. Since it came out until today, it has come back to my mind several times in front of the actuality of certain events that happened and that are happening even today.
The text is then marked by a beautiful rhythm in Morricone-Punk style, which gives greater emphasis to Joe's words.
And if John Peel or someone else didn't like it, that's okay too.

[Marky Dread]

He was famously crotchety about songs that appeared on TofP, remember him referring to Queen as the "Sun City boys" and other such insults. If I remember rightly, he was eventually thrown off the show for his attitude, though it's possible that had been his goal from the start. That said, the dig at the Clash does seem unusually acerbic, if he didn't like the song, why include it in the first place unless he was obliged to in some way?

If he plays the song then it's much easier for him to have something to compare his point against. To some degree I think Peel is right. Know Your Rights is a real sloaganeering track. Peely played loads of Clash songs on his show. The digs I think were deliberate over the band walking out of their session in 1978.

No arguments here but were White Riot, Hate & War etc any less sloganeering than KYR and I don't recall Peel having issues with those? Punk and sloganeering went pretty much together from what I understood anyway.

I would counter that the others you mention do not insult the listener in the same way as KYR. KYR is all assuming we are too dumb to know our rights in the first place. I like the track with its heavy rockabilly feel but the message is somewhat obvious.

That's fair. I like the song too, packs a punch as an album opener, but lyrically it doesn't sit great with how Joe was evolving as a writer at that time, as evidenced by StH, Car Jamming etc. It's about as subtle as a flying mallet, as Dave Edmunds might say.

Yeah I like the opening "Public service announcement" shout. I agree Joe had some great lyrics on RP/CR but KYR is a bit on the agitprop side. Anyone who has ever been involved in any sort of protest knows all too well what their rights involve.

[Silent Majority]

Let's keep in mind that Peel was, by the standards of today, a pedophile.

[Dr. Medulla]

Let's keep in mind that Peel was, by the standards of today, a pedophile.

Really? What's the story there? Which is to say, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. The counterculture and sexual revolution of the late 60s and 70s broke so many taboos, some good (interracial relations) and some bad (adult-minor relations). It took time to sift thru matters and establish new norms. Which isn't about absolving people nonchalantly, only acknowledging historical context.

[Silent Majority]

Let's keep in mind that Peel was, by the standards of today, a pedophile.

Really? What's the story there? Which is to say, I wouldn't necessarily be surprised. The counterculture and sexual revolution of the late 60s and 70s broke so many taboos, some good (interracial relations) and some bad (adult-minor relations). It took time to sift thru matters and establish new norms. Which isn't about absolving people nonchalantly, only acknowledging historical context.

https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-dark-s ... se-claims/

I'm not here to vilify a guy from the past, we're not looking a Jimmy Saville. I'm still listening to Jerry Lee, Led Zeppelin, Bowie and Tupac etc, but if Peel's going to get on a moral high horse against Joe Strummer - dead two decades with no skeletons falling out of a closet - I'm going to push back against him.